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Formation 20/21 Season

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by DennisTheLegend, Aug 12, 2020.

  1. UnitedBeard

    UnitedBeard Active Member

    So you were arguing for no reason then. :facepalm:
     
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  2. Macho

    Macho Established Member Trusted

    It happens :lol:
     
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  3. The_Playmaker

    The_Playmaker Established Member

    Okay so say we want the 343 to 433 formation for the season. Do we need Partey?

    We press as a unit, we can sit deep in a low block and we can press when we lose the ball. The importance isnt in a big tall dm who brings physicality. The importance is technical quality, tactical awareness and ability to beat a press. Granted Partey can add all these things, but it looks unlikely when you consider that we want Aouar. Xhaka is a mainstay and is competing with Ceballos. So a double pivot of Aouar and Xhaka/Ceballos would work with a back 3.

    The problem is this system hinges on Tierney as he is essentially playing lcb, lb, and lwb. It would make more sense to buy a back up for him like Ndicka or even Diallo from PSG in exchange for Bellerin in order to keep the system going.

    GK: Leno/ Raya
    Lcb: Tierney/ Ndicka
    Cb:Gabriel/ Mari/ Luiz
    Rcb: Saliba/ Mustafi/ Holding
    Lwb: Saka/AMN
    Cm: Aoaur/ Xhaka
    Cm: Ceballos/ Elneny
    Rwb: Bellerin/ Soares
    Rwf: Pepe/Willian/ Nelson
    Cf: Edouard/ Nketiah
    Lwf: Auba/Martinelli

    Just a thought.

    Works both ways though. Partey instead of Aouar also makes sense with a back 3. Arguably makes us even stronger.
     
  4. DanDare

    DanDare Emoji Merchant and Believer-In-Chief

    Think Partey has been off the table for a while. Auba, Pepe, Gabriel, Saliba mean we are no longer a small team but another in midfield would make us a big team. It's as you say though you don't need always need a giant to be effective. There have been loads of effective small defensive mids
     
  5. The_Playmaker

    The_Playmaker Established Member

    Bayern played a double pivot of Thiago and Kimmich. It's all about the system and coaching. Aouar with Ceballos could easily function, but would require the wing backs to be very good at their jobs.

    Saka----Aouar-----Ceballos-----AMN
    -------Tierney----Gabriel----Saliba

    That unit would shift to:

    ----------Saka----Caballos----Aouar
    Tierney-----Gabriel---Saliba---AMN
     
  6. HairSprayGooners

    HairSprayGooners Al Jazeera Correspondent

    Long term plan is a 433.

    Leno
    Bellerin - Saliba - Gabriel - Tierney
    Xhaka
    Partey - Aouar
    Pepe - Auba - Willian/Saka
    This will be next season in my opinion. And even if we were to sign Aouar this summer I believe he would be used sparingly. Partey however, would be used now.

    We have to remember Ceballos is here for a season, nothing more nothing less. Luiz is leaving next summer, same with Özil. By next summer the squad will be streamlined and the dross 95% gone.

    This season is all about getting top four, winning the europa league or both.

    Unless its a home game against a low block, defensive team who offer little going forward we will be playing 343.

    Leno
    Bellerin - Luiz - Gabriel - Tierney - AMN/Saka
    Partey - Xhaka
    Willian/Pepe - Laca - Auba/Saka
    Of course Luiz/Gabriel can be replaced by whoever is in the best form, but i expect Gabriel to be a main stay. Ceballos, Elneny and Aouar can come in if and when needed.

    We will pick up injuries, this is a very different season and its very congested, thats why its so important that we got Ceballos.
     
  7. Pyres7

    Pyres7 Well-Known Member

    Partey's a complete midfielder, he would complement Xhaka more than Aouar in a 2 man midfield. He'd bring in much needed steel and athleticism to our midfield. And gives us a good alternative to Xhaka too.

    Aouar is another slow technician, I think he'd be wasted in a two man midfield in our current formation. If we get him we want him closer to the goal where he can create/score himself.
     
  8. The_Playmaker

    The_Playmaker Established Member

    Aouar isn't slow. Xhaka, Ceballos and Elneny are slow, if Aouar gets past you, the only way you bring him down is by fouling him.
     
  9. Monstar-Gunn4r

    Monstar-Gunn4r Well-Known Member

  10. DanDare

    DanDare Emoji Merchant and Believer-In-Chief

    Not convinced 3 ATB works very well without AMN or Tierney in the left side. Gabriel as LCB and AMN/Tierney I'm sure would work but probably to a lesser extent.
     
  11. drippin

    drippin Well-Known Member

    Yesterday's match was Emery-like, luckily people aren't jumping on Arteta based on this.

    Basically the 3 atb doesn't work without Tierney. Gabriel can't do what Tierney does going forward. We have no one to replace Tierney if he is out. Kola can theoretically but in reality not like we saw.

    So should we try 4-3-3? Gabriel has been surprisingly good already.

    Who would be the 2nd CB? Luiz? Holding? They don't fill me with confidence in this setup, but could work.

    When defending Xhaka/Elneny could drop as 3rd CB if necessary.
     
  12. Gegen Pressing

    Gegen Pressing Well-Known Member

    343

    - playing out from the back the third defender is important against pressing as there are less obvious interception lines

    - I do believe wing backs are more natural than left backs because , statistically sitting in the middle is advantage to starting from the back when running back and forth a lot

    -
    watching years of center forwards sneaking in between our two-defenders pair i.e Drogba Vs Silvester /Squid ,
    having a third real central defender is sane.
     
  13. idan

    idan Member

    do you guys believe we will see 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 sometime soon?
    i just want to see more movement between the attack and mid.
     
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  14. HairSprayGooners

    HairSprayGooners Al Jazeera Correspondent

    Don't even know anymore. Think its down to midfield signings personally and I think Partey is the key to a balanced midfield. Not Aouar. Sign Aouar and in a 4231 you still don't have the right balance in midfield. Sign Partey and it suddenly opens up so many possibilities. We use 343 for more stability which allows us to play our slow, un-athletic midfielders.
     
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  15. DanDare

    DanDare Emoji Merchant and Believer-In-Chief

    We really need those two midfielders in and move away from this formation. Its defensively sound but it's not creative enough
     
  16. DanDare

    DanDare Emoji Merchant and Believer-In-Chief

  17. yousif_arsenal

    yousif_arsenal King of Twitter Rumours Moderator

    Yes Not a surprise no creativity and 343.
     
  18. DanDare

    DanDare Emoji Merchant and Believer-In-Chief

    We need to abandon it once we sign those mids. I'd argue before then. Give it a go Thursday
     
  19. yousif_arsenal

    yousif_arsenal King of Twitter Rumours Moderator

    Yes it's a must it'll take time to work and we could end up conceding 10 shots a game or more but at least we'll attack and play some quick football.
     
  20. DanDare

    DanDare Emoji Merchant and Believer-In-Chief

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