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Francis Cagigao Sacked

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by yousif_arsenal, Aug 5, 2020.

  1. Rex Banter

    Rex Banter Got Swerved By Gallas Trusted

    Doubt it. These are real peoples’ lives.

    If you’re some poor sod working in the ticket office bet you’d love to have your job ripped away from you with months of no income just so you can fool journos and rival clubs.
     
  2. Oxeki

    Oxeki New Threads, Old Tweets

    It was a tongue in cheek post ffs.

    Don't know why this got you riled up:lol:
     
  3. Rex Banter

    Rex Banter Got Swerved By Gallas Trusted

    Can never tell with Twitter fans these days.

    Game’s gone.
     
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  4. Jury

    Jury Mission Accomplished

    ... I’m your dad.
     
  5. kash2

    kash2 Obsessed With Jury

    and?
     
  6. kash2

    kash2 Obsessed With Jury

    Wenger wouldnt have let the staff be fired, Wenger wouldnt have let the agents run riot.

    no wonder the wenger out campaign was so well funded.
     
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  7. American_Gooner

    American_Gooner Not actually American. Unless Di Marzio says so. Moderator

  8. Camron

    Camron Established Member Trusted

    FFS look at all these people thanking this man now he's leaving after years of service.

    Compare that to the reactions when @GDeep™ announces he's leaving.
     
  9. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Dissociating

    Spot on, Özil didn’t refuse any pay cut, he asked for transparency, which he didn’t receive.
     
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  10. tap-in

    tap-in Nothing Wrong With Me

    Yes I think thats true about Özil. I wasn't having a go about that, he was right to question it. I was having a dig at him not making an effort in training and seems happy to just take his salary and not play.
     
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  11. Monstar-Gunn4r

    Monstar-Gunn4r Well-Known Member

    We know because reliable journalists reported, you even have the fkin players coming out and thanking him.... but I guess thats all buts, ifs and maybes. Restructure grand but keep the one who is far better than everyone else.
     
  12. akhil

    akhil Well-Known Member

    Those tributes are from players who did well for us. What about all the players who were duds?
    From his area alone, outside Fabregas, Bellerin,Martinez and Martinelli ,we got Toral, Merida, Bothelho, Wellington, Ignasi, Pleguezuelo. None of these guys play at prominent level now.
    What about Gabriel Paulista, Andre Santos, Denilson?

    There's no way to fully asses his success without knowing the duds as well. What about players he didn't approve of but went on to have significant careers.
    This overhaul is the final cull of Wenger's way of doing things following the academy restructuring done earlier. The people speaking to the press are bound to be disgruntled after things get shaken up after 2o something years of doing things a particular way. I don't know how StatDNA figures in all of this.

    Success of the people replacing them and their strategy will take a few years to asses and that will fall on Edu.
     
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  13. celestis

    celestis Arsenal-Mania Veteran Moderator

    Don’t understand, we were the first ones to move to data analytics almost a decade ago, Sven was using data analytics but you still need the scouting network, last year they said there were moving away from data analytics.
     
  14. dka91

    dka91 Well-Known Member

    Yeah pretty much sums up my thoughts on that, it's not really making sense unless what Sven was doing wasn't focused on stats, but then everyone says Sven loved stats lol.
     
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  15. Impact

    Impact Well-Known Member

    I doubt how well briefed the press are on this point. Time will tell whether we are moving to a more agent driven or data led approach or indeed something in between but in reality none of that matters. For the most part, none of us will care about our scouting methods provided that our recruitment is good and our team is successful in the seasons to come. That is the litmus test for Edu et al.
     
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  16. RunTheTrap

    RunTheTrap Well-Known Member

    I've had time to think about this. A part of me thinks they're using the uncertain times ahead with Corona to restructure and for the time being, we'll be using Kia players cos they're easy to obtain and it's efficient if we're already on good terms with the agent .
    What is hard to pinpoint is what we do for the near future?

    I hope that the club takes the pragmatic approach. I agree that our scouting department needed reshuffling, for all the great signings we made there has been a lot more duds and missed opportunities that we like to admit. I think Arsenal's problem is that we lean too much into one paradigm of recruitment when we should be open to using multiple methods. If you don't, you limit yourself to a smaller market.

    Wenger treated his scouts as gospel but they were outdated like Grimandi. Grimandi picked up Yaya Sanogo while Mpabbe, Martial and Dembele were available. A French scout during France's golden era picked Sanogo. And Wenger would not allow himself to work with certain agents which limited our scope. Hazard, Kante, Ronaldo, Mahrez, etc could have been ours if Wenger was more willing to use agents. Networking is powerful in business and it's no difference in football. Sometimes knowing the right people is enough.

    Then we overly trusted in data with StatDNA and ended up with crap. StatDNA said Lucas Perez was a better signing over Antoine Griezmann. The best clubs are not dogmatic to one approach, they'll often use multiple methods to recruit. Yes, Liverpool are the poster boys of data scouting but they also paid the highest fees in agent dealings. The Monaco team that knocked out City in the CL some years ago were known for their great scout Luis Campos who unearthed Mpabbe and others but the club still had a business relationship with Jorge Mendes.

    I think for a club like us, of our stature we need to be open to new ideas that allow us to be in first place most of time. That's all what recruitment is these days. Remember by the time Martinelli was 15 he had trials at United and Barca but the difference was, we were the first to take a chance and that basically sums up what intelligent recruitment is, being the first to act and see dividends paid.

    Maybe we pay a bit extra to get the next best thing, okay we may have to take a Cedric or two but if it's the next Ronaldo, nobody will be thinking of Cedric. Another time it's data that will unearth a gem or maybe your scout in Malaysia finds the next Messi. Whatever it is, it has malleable and they all have to work with each other.
     
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2020
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  17. Sapient Hawk

    Sapient Hawk The Reason We're Out of Europe

    We're now beholden to Kia calling the shots as apparently he knows what's good & what's not for Arsenal club has sadly become a soulless husk with the ascent of Raul & his cronies.

    I detest what we've become.
     
  18. Fewtch

    Fewtch Ozil at 10 And Emery Out

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    Wenger: My life and lessons in red and white out November 10, 2020.
     
  19. Tourbillion

    Tourbillion Angry & Miserable

    What does the part, "saying arsenal players not to lay off" mean? Sounds clumsy as ****.
     
  20. samshere

    samshere Why so serieuse?

    Last year the data analytics suggested that we move away from data analytics, this year it's suggesting that we move back to it. It's simple really.
     

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