Gabriel Martinelli: Dogback

[boonthegoon]

What's this through ball argument? Didn't he get good chances through through balls in the last couple of games?

 

[fute]

Still have hope.

 

[grange]

0017 is insane

 

[coleio]

He's definitely low on confidence and that's the main issue I think.

His in and out the team relationship with Trossard and the fact he isn't scoring is probably weighing on him.

You don't just suddenly turn terrible overnight.

 

[Sanchez11]

He's definitely low on confidence and that's the main issue I think.

His in and out the team relationship with Trossard and the fact he isn't scoring is probably weighing on him.

You don't just suddenly turn terrible overnight.

Why what happened with him and Leo?

 

[coleio]

Why what happened with him and Leo?

Sorry I might not have been clear there.

I just meant that since Trossard has come into the club, they've both kind of been in and out the team with no clear favourite. I think it affects them both actually, not just Martinelli.

 

[Sanchez11]

Sorry I might not have been clear there.

I just meant that since Trossard has come into the club, they've both kind of been in and out the team with no clear favourite. I think it affects them both actually, not just Martinelli.

Injuries didnt help Gabby

 

[Sulosky]

Maybe once again a really stupid idea, but Martinelli could be helped if he was played as a CF or even 10 spot. EFL cup could be a good place to try.

 

[PrinzPoldi]

Maybe once again a really stupid idea, but Martinelli could be helped if he was played as a CF or even 10 spot. EFL cup could be a good place to try.

May I know your reason to suggest that?

 

[Sulosky]

May I know your reason to suggest that?

Of course. I believe that Martinelli has the potential to be a top player and after far too many miserable matches, Arteta still trusts the player (understandably). Sometimes changing the position can help to regain confidence. I think it's worth a try with Martinelli, if changing the playing position would help.

 

[db10_therza]

Of course. I believe that Martinelli has the potential to be a top player and after far too many miserable matches, Arteta still trusts the player (understandably). Sometimes changing the position can help to regain confidence. I think it's worth a try with Martinelli, if changing the playing position would help.

I hear you but I don’t think it would help. Martinelli needs less tactical instruction and be allowed to rely more on his instincts. His weakness frankly is probably his intelligence. To me it seems like he’s just struggling under the weight of tactical information and is second guessing every action. A more intelligent player would be able to better balance and deal with all this.

CF in this team is even more tactically demanding than winger. I don’t see how it improves him.

 

[Sulosky]

I hear you but I don’t think it would help. Martinelli needs less tactical instruction and be allowed to rely more on his instincts. His weakness frankly is probably his intelligence. To me it seems like he’s just struggling under the weight of tactical information and is second guessing every action. A more intelligent player would be able to better balance and deal with all this.

CF in this team is even more tactically demanding than winger. I don’t see how it improves him.

I have a few players who peaked as strikers despite originally being wingers: Henry, Van Persie, Aubameyang, Eto'o and Villa. I understand what you mean, that Martinelli might not fully understand the game and the tactics, but I would still be willing to give him a chance. I don't think anyone has much to lose.

 

[db10_therza]

I have a few players who peaked as strikers despite originally being wingers: Henry, Van Persie, Aubameyang, Eto'o and Villa. I understand what you mean, that Martinelli might not fully understand the game and the tactics, but I would still be willing to give him a chance. I don't think anyone has much to lose.

Yeah my hesitation here is more specifically with what Arteta asks his strikers to do, which is less scoring goals and more facilitating.

 

[bastun]

Should have sold him to Liverpool when Klopp said he is the talent of the century

 

[Keplaz]

Ye of little faith. When he bangs the winner against Man City, there'll be a lot of humble pie to be distributed. He is getting into good positions. He needs one to go in for him, and he'll find himself. He's not a bad player. Just out of form.

 

[Mudi]

Our approach in attack has changed significantly over the course of 3 years, in the disadvantage of Martinelli. Before we were playing with a striker (Lacazette and then Jesus) dropping deep to almost midfield to connect with the midfielders. Martinelli and Saka used to play more inside, running the open space created by our striker pulling the defenders.

This was the ideal scenario for Martinelli as he could use his speed and finishing for productivity. He did not need to be involved much in the game.

Currently we play with very wide wingers to make the field as big as possible. Saka (as he is world class) is still effective in this setup as he can hold the ball, pick a pass and beats his man, while Martinelli is very limited on these things. Trossard on the other hand is more suited for this kind of setup and therefore seems the better LW.

 

[Dennis_Bergkamp_10]

Ye of little faith. When he bangs the winner against Man City, there'll be a lot of humble pie to be distributed. He is getting into good positions. He needs one to go in for him, and he'll find himself. He's not a bad player. Just out of form.

He scored the winner vs City last year and spent the rest of the year being very average. And I'm phrasing it nicely.

No humble pie whatsoever. He needs to get back in form or we should look to sell and improve. The guy hasn't made a goal or assist in his last 17 games for Arsenal..

 

[SA Gunner]

Our approach in attack has changed significantly over the course of 3 years, in the disadvantage of Martinelli. Before we were playing with a striker (Lacazette and then Jesus) dropping deep to almost midfield to connect with the midfielders. Martinelli and Saka used to play more inside, running the open space created by our striker pulling the defenders.

This was the ideal scenario for Martinelli as he could use his speed and finishing for productivity. He did not need to be involved much in the game.

Currently we play with very wide wingers to make the field as big as possible. Saka (as he is world class) is still effective in this setup as he can hold the ball, pick a pass and beats his man, while Martinelli is very limited on these things. Trossard on the other hand is more suited for this kind of setup and therefore seems the better LW.

I think the reactivation of our left side, particularly the bringing in of both Merino and Calafiori will bring back that potent version of Martinelli. Because there are natural rotations there with 2 out of the 3 comfortable both inside and outside.

Like you say, Gabby is at his best when he is allowed to operate high up in lanes 1 and 2, cutting into that left half space (lane 2). With confidence in his finishing he’ll be a problem for defenses again.

I do think that this will be one of the improvements we bring in for the second half of the season. Not only does it give us more from our left side, but it isolates Saka and Ødegaard in space on our right side more.

Martinelli is having a tough time in our current system, but it’s far from done for him.

 

[SA Gunner]

To much defensive work and less risk allowed --> less attacking situations -->
rusty, bad decision making --> lowered confidence --> "fans" abuse him --> overthinking everything -->
no goals/assists in 17 games

We create so little at the moment that every chance turns into a game defining moment.

This is also true.

Martinelli tracking back as much also removes him from the spaces in behind the opposition attacking line. We sometimes don’t need as many players in behind, and look to trust our defenders in 1v1 defensive situations more.

Also… Teams are now setting up and pressing us in a 424 shape, which leaves that space in the middle once the ball bypasses that first line. We should be getting the ball in behind the first 4 players more often because that allows players like Martinelli to both stretch teams quickly and have more of a go himself when getting into the box.

Martinelli is frustrating now yes, but there is still a lot of things we can do better, to maximise his speed and directness, both for him individually and how he can manipulate opposition shapes with his presence.

 

[Deleted member 98559]

Should have sold him to Liverpool when Klopp said he is the talent of the century

£50M plus £1