Poor but he just comeback to the team again today he not supposed to start just like Bolagun but the emergency situation requires it. He'll get alot of chances he exciting player
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Gabriel Martinelli: Top Tear
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Barry
Definitely Not An Old Poster
Love Martinelli but I think the right loan would really bring him on as well. There's loads to his game that stands out as special but he's not quite the finished article yet.
Think he will get plenty of minutes this season as an impact sub, but he's rarely made a case to be starter. Getting regular minutes at a slightly lower level where he can gain experience and shine seems the best for his development.
Think he will get plenty of minutes this season as an impact sub, but he's rarely made a case to be starter. Getting regular minutes at a slightly lower level where he can gain experience and shine seems the best for his development.
It is because you don't understand his qualities.
He isn't a give-me-the-ball player, ball dominant player, but that doesn't mean he wasn't good tonight, ball-dominant players like Saka seems to be better visually that doesn't mean they actually are.
In fact Arsenal was playing better with Martineli on the pitch (as usual, 0.63 for x 0.43 against expected goals going by Understat) and he did a lot of work in terms of pressures and recovering the ball as well as making intelligent runs, off-the-ball work etc... but he was largely limited because of the unbalanced lineup.
You need to have ESR plus at least one from Willian, Saka to balance the team. . Pepe, Balogun, Auba, Martinelli, even Laca all need at least two ball-progressors, ball-dominant players around them to exceed.
Martinelli is a good example of a ceiling raiser player rather than floor raiser player btw.
His Plus-Minus is the highest positive in the club last season. Data per 90 minutes.
The possibility is that no one would make this team look better tonight, at least this player is not in the squad. Not Saka, not Auba.
We can't loan him we need options on bench he'll have more chances this season
I never said he was a "give me the ball, ball dominant player". And I agree he's a "ceiling raiser player", he will get better as he refines his game.
It's quite obvious he's still very raw, and in my opinion hasn't really yet justified the pedestal fans put him on.
Barry
Definitely Not An Old Poster
You make a good point here Yousif as we don't have many forward options to play from the bench. It's a tricky one but if we can't shift Nketiah and Nelson then maybe one of them can be the impact sub instead? Think Martinelli has the potential to be a starter next season but he needs experience and a breakout year first. Maybe this is one we assess in January.
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Was terrible just let him rest up. Willing to chalk that performance up to jet lag or whatever.
He is criticized far more than the average Arsenal young player too.
In fact, I know there are a lot of players who are much more refined/complete or more mature, but also many of them has much less impact on the pitch (some because they are dumb, other too much of ball hogs, others lazy etc). Martinelli wasn't even that bad tonight (not without the ball or defensively), maybe he should show up a bit more to the game, but who knows if this is stimulated by Arteta too. Perhaps Arteta wants him off the ball making runs instead of encourage the player to be on the ball, I don't know.... but for that he needs more ball-dominant players around and not Pepe and Balogun.
Artisan
Not Emery's Old Pal
He wasn't that good, yet he was the only one that came close to scoring... so what does that say about the rest of the dross?
He wasn't tho. Terrible was Arteta's unbalanced XI and your boi Pepe 72 million player that is basically a poacher, I was expecting Pepe to be a ball progressor, drive his team forward and in the reality he was even more peripheral than Martinelli but being way less active off-the-ball, defensively and making dumb decisions on the ball as usual. When Pepe doesn't score, he is the most detrimental player in the Arsenal squad I would say.
Country: England
Splitting hairs, they were both sh*t tonight I ain’t got time for you lots forum darlings anymore.
Gooner1988TK
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I don’t know who people think we are. The old Arsenal is long gone and dead. WE ARE the club teams loan players to so they can develop. So I dunno why people think we should be loaning out players WE NEED for depth. Didn’t people notice how shocking our bench was and we got beaten by Brentford tonight. Yet certain individuals think we should get rid of our best prospects for the season while we can’t even qualify for the Europa conference league. The delusion has to stop and people need to get real quickly. This man has a very important role to play in our struggles this season.
The same Martinelli that had a bad match against this Brentford would exceed with ESR-Ødegaard-Lacazette instead of ESR-Balogun-Pepe. I mean he isn't a "universal type of player" and can look bad because of it, but he can be good with good players around him. Auba and Pepe are just like that too, but I think Martinelli is better than Pepe and has more on his side compared to Auba as well.
MaraDon
Wants you to learn about football
He only reminds me of Alexis on his pressing.
Alexis was a world-class game-changer footballer.
like the ones we used to have, you know? the ones we don't have anymore.
Riou
In The Winchester, Waiting For This To Blow Over
Country: Northern Ireland
Player:Gabriel
Alexis, Özil, Ramsey, Cazorla...considering how bad it is now, mad to think we all had them at their peak and in the same team not that long ago.
MaraDon
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Batman
Head of the Wayne foundation for benching Nketiah
Country: USA
Player:Saliba
I think a lot of our young guys would benefit from a loan if only to escape being poisoned by this disaster of a manager. The trouble is then it would leave us with even less quality as those young lads seem to make up the bulk of the players even worthy of putting the shirt on.
truth_hurts
but Holding’s hair transplant was painless
Was receiving the ball in terrible areas. Forwards don't flourish in this system.
Country: England
Player:Saliba
Shocking game. But all is not lost with this lad and a decent manager.
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