German Football 2017/18

Discussion in 'Football Talk' started by blaze_of_glory, Jul 6, 2016.

  1. BobP

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  2. Tir Na Nog

    Tir Na Nog Every Little Thing Is Gonna Be Alright Trusted

    I remember this team very well it was under Magath, loved watching Grafite play up front.
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  3. BobP

    BobP Favre Fan

    Guy just lugged together a bunch of journeyman and blasted his way to the title.



    Guy almost killed Grafite.
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  4. Tir Na Nog

    Tir Na Nog Every Little Thing Is Gonna Be Alright Trusted

    I can't believe what I've just read. :lol::lol::lol:

    Imagine him doing that to some of our lads.
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  5. BobP

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    Elneny at the top be like "Praise Allah".
  6. al-Ustaadh

    al-Ustaadh Professor of Twitter

    Bailey just scored a nice goal.
  7. Mo Britain

    Mo Britain Well-Known Member

    Shouldn't this thread be renamed "Bayern Munich"?
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  8. KrissKringle

    KrissKringle Well-Known Member

    Reus got back today from his lengthy injury with a cracker of a goal against his former team that ended up being the winner as well.
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  9. dashsnow17

    dashsnow17 Well-Known Member

    State of that pitch was shocking. Rochdale pitch was a Persian carpet in comparison.
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  10. Toby Andrl

    Toby Andrl Part Time Stuttgart Fan

    Looking at the table, the title "race" and the international cups, I feel the Bundesliga needs some new impulses.

    The scouting and development has always been good, but everyone bar Bayern is struggling with financially more powerful competitors from foreign leagues to land or keep these young talents.
    Foreign talent sometimes still ends up in Germany, but is quickly gone. Own talent is starting to glance towards England, too.
    problem is, if you can't financially compete for expensive quality players you need to rebuild again and again with young talent. To build a team you need about 2 to 4 seasons. Now if these young players get signed away quickly, there's not really a chance to build teams anymore.

    Bayern is up to scavenging the league for german talent/quality again, which obviously weakens the competition. It's their right to do it, it's understandable why players want to join them, but don't go out and have a dig at other clubs saying they should focus on working better again, when you clearly profit from that work. But, Bayern is surely not the only or main reason here.

    There has been lots of noise surrounding the 50+1 rule, which prohibits investors from having a majority in shares, which has to remain with the actual club. Lately, Hannover's main investor, as well as Hamburg's and Hoffenheim's before that, have had a go at this rule, saying it weakens the Bundesliga's ability to challenge internationally because of financial constraints.

    I think it's a good rule. It puts the focus on healthy, longterm business strategies as well as consistency and quality in the operational side of football and backroom work.
    It has been a reason for the resurgence of german talent since about mid last decade, then helped develop the scouting system for foreign talent from about 2012/13 on, and bar Red Bull, has as of now kept more shady business deals out of the league. It has allowed the clubs, as majority shareholders, as well as fans, to stay relevant in club matters. I don't think it should be revoked, as I fully expect the financial bubble of football to explode at some point in the future.

    I think, next to financial constraints, the main two reasons are down to player development and cowardly tactics in the fight to reach international spots or not get relegated.
    The surgence of quick, system focused football in the last decade has lead to a lot of players being formed into quite one dimensional system pieces. Basically pass and move, pass and move, fulfill your task in a system, and thus has robbed them of their innate creativity and playfulness. That's a critique Mehmet Scholl voiced, and I do think he's right to some degree. If you look at teams like Hertha, Augsburg, Frankfurt, Hoffenheim, etc...they all managed to implement a system that gets them to where they want to be, but the focus on that system and the lack of true, above average talent prevents them from pushing on. And that talent is too expensive to buy or leaves early for higher wages.
    The need to generate income via league position, and especially the need to stay in the top division, puts so much stress on managers and clubs, they always aim for the safe bet. They'd rather play it safe and finish 8th, then play it risky and aim for 5th, because they could end up finishing 11th. The refreshing, quick, pressing game from around 2010 to 2014 has become stale and defensive.

    While I do think the finances are a problem, I'd still not overrule 50+1 for already stated reasons. I'd advocate a TV deal that's more fair, further focus on scouting and developing talent, as well as finding some means to keep them at a club longer. High release clauses, a ruling or precedence on striking players, stuff like that.
    But most of all, I want to see an influx of foreign managers who change the boring, defensive and safe football that has been ruining the league for the last 2, 3 years.
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  11. Toby Andrl

    Toby Andrl Part Time Stuttgart Fan

    For anyone interested: It's Kovac vs. Hasenhuettl tonight. Frankfurt play Leipzig in half an hour.
  12. dashsnow17

    dashsnow17 Well-Known Member

    It's the Battle of the Rhombuses tonight! Who will win: the black rhombus or the green rhombus?
  13. Borussin

    Borussin AM's Resident Dortmund Fan

    Good to see Reece Oxford in the starting 11 for Gladbach again tonight! He's getting his chances in the Bundesliga.

    This is a game I don't really mind who wins, I don't want Bremen to go down though, so maybe I should hope they win! But I like Zakaria from Gladbach, and it's time for Lars Stindl to get going again if he wants to get in that world cup squad.
  14. Aevius

    Aevius Pro-Rambo Moderator

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  15. NieThePiet

    NieThePiet Part Time Werder Bremen Fan

    Should have a yellow-red card too today. His goal was a gift from Delaney, both goals were gifts for them.

    Still a good point for us ;)
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  16. Tir Na Nog

    Tir Na Nog Every Little Thing Is Gonna Be Alright Trusted

  17. BobP

    BobP Favre Fan

    That's incredibly fascinating.

    You'd assume the length of the bands connecting the players would be equivalent to the distances the manager would want the players to maintain when not in possession of the ball.

    I'm sure they're adjustable to.
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  18. Aevius

    Aevius Pro-Rambo Moderator

    That's interesting, but it does have its limits. I'm sure they can't actually practice playing or defending with all those ropes in the way in midair.
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  19. Brown Gooner

    Brown Gooner Well-Known Member

    Reus is a fantastic player. If only he could stay fit and injury free!
  20. BobP

    BobP Favre Fan

    It's more of a conceptual tool if anything, helping clarify things such as:

    Ideal distances between teammates and the position of the shape depending on where the ball is.

    Think of a more modern take on Arrigo Sacchi's 'shadow play' which so perplexed opposition scouts.

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