When I watch Makalele, I can actually see what he does. He works very hard for 90 minutes at closing down the opposition, his passing sets off almost every Chelsea attack, he shields the defence, he gives the ball to Lampard to do the more creative things. When I watch Gilberto, I can honestly say that I do not see this. Sure, he does his fair share of things, but for me, he just doesn't do enough to warrant a place in the starting line-up ahead of Edu and Parlour every week. I couldn't give a **** how he plays for Brazil. If he doesn't play well enough for Arsenal, he doesn't deserve to make the starting line up every week. I think that Gilberto isn't the type of central midfielder we need to partner Vieira to be perfectly honest, and we have never replaced Emmanuel Petit in this respect. The closest we have got, in my opinion, has been Edu. He provides balance to the midfield, is strong and skilful on the ball, has good vision and a range of passing, is strong in the tackle, works hard. In central midfield, I see no reason why Arsène cannot rotate Edu, Parlour and Gilberto as Paddy's partner for a few games. This is not to back up any of my points above, but I thought it might shed some light on the situation. Here is Arsenal's PREMIERSHIP record with Gilberto in the side and out of the side last season: 1)In the side- games played 31, won 20, drawn 7, lost 4 2)Out of side- games played 7, won 3, drawn 2, lost 2 Here is Arsenal's PREMIERSHIP record first with Gilberto and Vieira in the side and then with Vieira and Edu/Parlour last season: 1) PV & GS - games played 20, won 13, drawn 5, lost 2 2) PV & E/RP-games played 3, won 1, drawn 1, lost 1 Hmmmmm.....that doesn't prove much. Here is Arsenal's PREMIERSHIP record with Edu and Vieira in CM in both the 2001/2002 season and the 2002/2003 season: 1) PV & E- games played 8, won 7, drawn 0, lost 1. You might all be surprised to hear that Edu started only one game in CM with Paddy in the Prem last season- that was away to Southampton. The last statistic just shows how set on Gilberto Wenger is, whether it be for good or bad. I just think there would be no harm in trying to vary the formula in Central midfield from time to time to see if the other partnerships are a success. Thanks goes to the Arsenal programme for the above stats!