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Granit Xhaka: 2019/20 Performances

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Riou

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His passing while decent, isn't anything to shout about...we are THE Arsenal, standards of our midfielders should be higher...


...this is a passing range.
 

Big Poppa

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His passing while decent, isn't anything to shout about...we are THE Arsenal, standards of our midfielders should be higher...


...this is a passing range.

This video made me realise how poor our current forwards are at receiving the ball too.
 

Big Poppa

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Every player can make mistakes like that. The idea of the pass wasn't wrong it lacked execution. Should've been lofted over.
He sprinted back though.

He does it regularly though. Sprinting back after doing something like that should be a given.

It’s also a product of his limitations as he can’t pivot on the ball and open up additional options. He always needs extra touches to get the ball out of his feet which allows opponents to anticipate and block his path.

We call them brain farts but they’re just a symptom.
 

progman07

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He has the passing range and execution of just the most very basic of midfielders. But he has zero flair, vision or imagination to his passing. None. We're going nowhere with a player of his calibre in a key position. Please don't die on this hill, Mikel, ffs.
He has no other option. Guendouzi is a headless chicken, I cannot imagine him executing the tactical orders Arteta asks Xhaka. Ceballos is a raw talent, but has been injured and is probably still of the pace. Who else?

It might be an unpopular option, but going into a season relying on Willock was a bit naive - he needs a loan, right now he feels like levels below the minimum for a team that looks to challenge for the top4.

I think Arteta knows there are much bigger issues in the squad right now - centre backs are old/awful/injured, we have no fit fullbacks, our no10 is aging fast, our attackers cannot get involved in the buildup properly/cannot score regularly.

The Xhaka-Torreira midfield is not a world beater one, we badly miss Fabregas obviously, but until we replace Kolasinac, Sokratis, Mustafi, Özil, solve the Auba/Laca issue, get our wingers into regular goalscoring positions, we should be content.
 

Trilly

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Yes he had a good goal line clearance, but you also have to consider what led to that corner.


The duality of Xhaka.
Tbf every midfielder will misplace a pass or two, he'd pulled off the exact same pass earlier in the game but this time the defending players cut it out. That will happen sometimes, the opposition don't exist to allow us to do what we want.

He had an okay game, wasn't responsible for the goal we conceded. Xhaka has been good since Arteta took over, you wouldn't post a clip of one of the few misplaced passes by another CM so why do it for Xhaka?

edit: I understand that it lead to a corner which in turn lead to him clearing a goal bound effort. Which again begs the question, what was the point of posting this?
 

RacingPhoton

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Tbf every midfielder will misplace a pass or two, he'd pulled off the exact same pass earlier in the game but this time the defending players cut it out. That will happen sometimes, the opposition don't exist to allow us to do what we want.

He had an okay game, wasn't responsible for the goal we conceded. Xhaka has been good since Arteta took over, you wouldn't post a clip of one of the few misplaced passes by another CM so why do it for Xhaka?

edit: I understand that it lead to a corner which in turn lead to him clearing a goal bound effort. Which again begs the question, what was the point of posting this?
One can misplace such passes or get the pass cut off when you are making forward passes. He was making a sideways and a bit backward pass which is supposed to be safe.
This video is a clear indication of why he keeps making mistakes like this. It is not just his lack of pace in running. He lacks the ability to execute his passes quickly. If you look at it closely, after he takes the decision to make that pass, he looks down, takes a slow touch to get the ball under control and then plays the pass. All this, without even looking up to see if the players have moved. By that time, two of Sheffield players have converged towards the path of the pass.
This is exactly the weakness we Xhaka haters are talking about. To complete that perfect pass, Xhaka needs the opponents to give him all the space and not try to close down. This happens only against teams which are sitting back and defending. The moment a team decides to press us hard in our half, he gets chased down due to his lack of pace or gets his pass cut off quickly like what happened here. We cannot carry a player with such weaknesses.
 

Trilly

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One can misplace such passes or get the pass cut off when you are making forward passes. He was making a sideways and a bit backward pass which is supposed to be safe.
This video is a clear indication of why he keeps making mistakes like this. It is not just his lack of pace in running. He lacks the ability to execute his passes quickly. If you look at it closely, after he takes the decision to make that pass, he looks down, takes a slow touch to get the ball under control and then plays the pass. All this, without even looking up to see if the players have moved. By that time, two of Sheffield players have converged towards the path of the pass.
This is exactly the weakness we Xhaka haters are talking about. To complete that perfect pass, Xhaka needs the opponents to give him all the space and not try to close down. This happens only against teams which are sitting back and defending. The moment a team decides to press us hard in our half, he gets chased down due to his lack of pace or gets his pass cut off quickly like what happened here. We cannot carry a player with such weaknesses.
There’s plenty of video evidence of him receiving the ball and passing it on quickly before he’s been pressed. You’re using a clip where all the options are marked and he’s thinking of who to pass it too. Would accept your reasoning if somebody was clearly open and he took too long to pass.

That video in isolation is useless, because every midfielder will have incomplete passes. Just because the pass was sideways doesn’t mean it was an easy one.
 

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Can't forgive him. One of the worst captain in history of the club. Blamed everyone else. No leaders quality.

He has done at best slightly below "okay" under Arteta. Not good enough if we want to have future in top half of the table!
 

RacingPhoton

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There’s plenty of video evidence of him receiving the ball and passing it on quickly before he’s been pressed. You’re using a clip where all the options are marked and he’s thinking of who to pass it too. Would accept your reasoning if somebody was clearly open and he took too long to pass.

That video in isolation is useless, because every midfielder will have incomplete passes. Just because the pass was sideways doesn’t mean it was an easy one.
Can you show me the plenty of video evidence when a team is going to press and he passes the ball quickly? He makes quick passes only when he is passing to someone nearby. For all those long passes for which we give him credit for, he takes quite some time to get the ball under control.

And can you show me evidence of other midfielders making such mistakes when passing sideways or backward?

It is not about all the options being marked. He saw a clear pass to a player who is at the other end of the pitch who was left unmarked. The pass was clearly on when he decided to do it. But by the time he executed the pass, two players have moved to a position where they can easily bypass it.
 

Eaststander74

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There’s plenty of video evidence of him receiving the ball and passing it on quickly before he’s been pressed. You’re using a clip where all the options are marked and he’s thinking of who to pass it too. Would accept your reasoning if somebody was clearly open and he took too long to pass.

That video in isolation is useless, because every midfielder will have incomplete passes. Just because the pass was sideways doesn’t mean it was an easy one.
The very simple option for a player of his supposed quality--if he felt he must pass it sideways/back--would have been shape a lofted pass over the attackers head to our CB who was in acres of space to receive it. He didn't even back himself to be able to do that. This is a guy who supposed to be able to spray 60 yard balls around. The whole clip from him receiving it, pointing at something and acting like he's directing stuff, to that tamely hit **** pass, just screams 'dunce'.
 

Trilly

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And can you show me evidence of other midfielders making such mistakes when passing sideways or backward?
Seriously? You think this doesn’t happen? Have you not seen City and Pool pressing, have you not seen us pressing?
He saw a clear pass to a player who is at the other end of the pitch who was left unmarked. The pass was clearly on when he decided to do it. But by the time he executed the pass, two players have moved to a position where they can easily bypass it.
Bro. He tried to pass forwards and everyone was marked, he turned around while dribbling, and saw an open player. As soon as he saw Mustafi he took one touch to push the ball out and then attempted the pass. It wasn’t that long

Sheffield United are a good defensive side, they blocked pretty much every option he had and noticed Mustafi was his only option and moved to close that gap. This is the PL, every team is going to force turnovers sometimes. Using that video to criticise him is extreme.
 

Trilly

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The very simple option for a player of his supposed quality--if he felt he must pass it sideways/back--would have been shape a lofted pass over the attackers head to our CB who was in acres of space to receive it. He didn't even back himself to be able to do that. This is a guy who supposed to be able to spray 60 yard balls around. The whole clip from him receiving it, pointing at something and acting like he's directing stuff, to that tamely hit **** pass, just screams 'dunce'.
No disagreement here. The pass should have been lofted.

But this one clip that didn’t lead to a goal is just scapegoating. He’s been good since Arteta came in, the brain farts have drastically reduced and I believe he hasn’t even been close to being at fault for a goal?

What happened to the fresh start under Arteta? Guy’s done nothing and people are sending clips of one inconsequential incomplete pass.
 

RacingPhoton

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Seriously? You think this doesn’t happen? Have you not seen City and Pool pressing, have you not seen us pressing?

Bro. He tried to pass forwards and everyone was marked, he turned around while dribbling, and saw an open player. As soon as he saw Mustafi he took one touch to push the ball out and then attempted the pass. It wasn’t that long

Sheffield United are a good defensive side, they blocked pretty much every option he had and noticed Mustafi was his only option and moved to close that gap. This is the PL, every team is going to force turnovers sometimes. Using that video to criticise him is extreme.
Show me a player who does these mistakes as frequently as Xhaka. He had the record for doing such mistakes in the three seasons before this.
The time he took after he saw Mustafi to actually make the pass is definitely longer than any decent premier league midfielder. Compare that with how Cazorla makes the passes. You see that urgency in most midfielders which doesn't seem to be there with Xhaka. He assumes that the whole world around him will stay still when he slowly makes the pass.
 

CaseUteinberger

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Show me a player who does these mistakes as frequently as Xhaka. He had the record for doing such mistakes in the three seasons before this.
The time he took after he saw Mustafi to actually make the pass is definitely longer than any decent premier league midfielder. Compare that with how Cazorla makes the passes. You see that urgency in most midfielders which doesn't seem to be there with Xhaka. He assumes that the whole world around him will stay still when he slowly makes the pass.
Think the reason for this is what you pointed out earlier, his poor technique. He clearly is struggling with the ball under his feet. He needs to get the ball in the right position to be able to play it. Don’t think it helps that he is so heavily one footed also.

I think he is doing much better under Arteta, which I am happy about. He has serious limitations though and I wouldn’t mind him leaving in the summer. Hopefully he can play better and improve until then so we can get a decent price and limit our losses on him.
 
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