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Granit Xhaka: Managers Love Him!

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by Marjorie, Aug 18, 2020.

  1. Jury

    Jury Mission Accomplished

    There were a few players at fault to varying degrees, but Xhaka takes the booby prize on this one. Not sure how it can be seen another way tbh.
     
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  2. Riou

    Riou Non-Stop Nostalgia

    AM: "Xhaka has been a starter in this team since we signed him in 2016, deserves respect."

    (Arsenal haven't qualified for the the Champions League since)

    AM: "All the managers at Arsenal love Xhaka."

    (All those managers have lost their jobs, some fans are turning on Arteta too)

    AM: "Plenty of teams would love to have Xhaka"

    (Would the real Hertha Berlin please stand up)

    AM: "How can you come out of that match thinking Xhaka is the problem"

    (Numerous mental lapses/mistakes since the first season and at nearly 30, they ain't stopping)
     
    Last edited: Oct 26, 2020
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  3. blaze_of_glory

    blaze_of_glory Moderator Moderator

  4. Big Poppa

    Big Poppa Well-Known Member Trusted

    Our highest passing combo.. Gabriel to Xhaka 34 times. 2nd highest? Xhaka back to Gabriel 23 times.

    Xhaka received the ball 88 times, Partey received it 44 times and Ceballos 46 times.

    It’s abundantly clear teams allow Xhaka to have the ball knowing that he’s just going to play triangles with our defenders.

    We aren’t achieving anything like top 4 until we replace this guy.
     
  5. Jae

    Jae Well-Known Member

    He's not even the best at what he does in our current team, Luiz is better in almost every aspect.
     
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  6. Big Poppa

    Big Poppa Well-Known Member Trusted

    It’s not that he gives it away when pressed it’s that he can’t do anything other than win a foul or pass it backwards when engaged by an opponent. In his role, beating a press is critical to breaking through opposition lines.

    I’d donate my left nut to have a player like Kimmich or Thiago playing where Xhaka is.
     
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  7. BigPoppaPump

    BigPoppaPump Contrarian

    Anytime he's on the ball you just know the opposition will have enough time to put 11 behind the ball, just so slow. I would say can't wait for him to leave but he'll definitely get a new contract.
     
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  8. Manberg

    Manberg Predator

    You say that like it’s a bad thing. Drawing fouls is good. Passing backwards when pressed is good. It means you’ve drawn the press and suddenly there is a space behind that can be exploited by a simple lob over it. There are multiple ways to beat a press. Dribbling past it is not the only way.
     
  9. DanDare

    DanDare Emoji Merchant and Believer-In-Chief

    Have you considered getting a job in the Tory party? They're in need of a good spin doctor currently
     
  10. RacingPhoton

    RacingPhoton Well-Known Member

    Others: Xhaka was at fault there. He shouldn't have let Under run like that.
    Xhaka worshippers: You can't expect Xhaka to run like that.

    Others: Xhaka rarely tackles and wins the ball without committing foul.
    Xhaka worshippers: You can't expect Xhaka to win balls like that.

    Others: Xhaka cannot play the ball forward when he is pressed.
    Xhaka worshippers: You can't expect Xhaka to play the ball forward when he is pressed.

    Others: But at least he should be able to carry the ball forward by dribbling?
    Xhaka Worshippers: Wtf are you talking about? Why would you expect Xhaka to dribble?

    Others: What exactly can we expect from him then?
    Xhaka worshippers: You clearly don't understand football. Do you?
     
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  11. Big Poppa

    Big Poppa Well-Known Member Trusted

    How is a break in play a good thing when you’re trying to attack? Every time you pass backwards for a lob forwards, the opposition can see what’s coming and have recovered their shape. Our creativity and penetration fell off a cliff ever since we replaced Cazorla with Xhaka.
     
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  12. Manberg

    Manberg Predator

    :rofl::rofl::rofl:

    A* for effort! :trophy:
     
  13. Manberg

    Manberg Predator

    It’s tactical. Takes a tactical understanding of the game. Xhaka gets lauded for his ability to draw fouls, it takes experience and intelligence. You even hear opposition managers shout “DONT FOUL” because of this.
     
  14. L3T5 PL4Y

    L3T5 PL4Y Flair Accuser

    Exactly. And he is just pointless at this stage but I suppose Arteta's love for him because he is a similar kind of player in the way he played here during his time is getting in the way of his better judgement. While Xhaka has a slightly improved utility in certain situations he is absolutely not needed anymore since we have defense and midfield areas he could've added to well covered.
     
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  15. Big Poppa

    Big Poppa Well-Known Member Trusted

    :lol:

    When you’re in possession, drawing a foul is an advantage in a defensive phase not an offensive phase.

    That works in the opponent’s favour because you kill your own attacking momentum and allow them to regroup.

    Tactical :lol:
     
  16. L3T5 PL4Y

    L3T5 PL4Y Flair Accuser

    Haha, yeah exactly. I mean we have Luiz, Gabriel and Partey who pretty much make him redundant but we still continue to force feed him into the team and the team is actually structured to play to without any apparent logic to it.
     
  17. Manberg

    Manberg Predator

    He doesn’t draw fouls when the counter is on. He draws fouls in defensive phases.
     
  18. L3T5 PL4Y

    L3T5 PL4Y Flair Accuser

    Not really. Xhaka just kills the momentum of our entire game in every phase. He is just ridiculously immobile and can't get his feet sorted which is why he either draws a foul or gets the opposition loads of time to restructure. Its not a deliberate tactical ploy or anything.
     
  19. RacingPhoton

    RacingPhoton Well-Known Member

    True. Time to move him to EL matches and help lead the youngsters, something which he is supposedly good at.
     
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  20. The_Playmaker

    The_Playmaker Established Member

    No. That's wrong. He repeatedly kills counters when he actually starts running with the ball and then realises he can't so he just backs his arse into the player chasing him.
     

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