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Granit Xhaka: Managers Love Him!

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by Marjorie, Aug 18, 2020.

  1. Pyres7

    Pyres7 Well-Known Member

    I already said I was wrong about that after watching it again, they were almost side by side. That's all semantics anyway, the point was that Xhaka got too tight to Under, then got caught ball watching and gave him a running start.

    Why even reply if you don't want to discuss the actual point I'm making?
     
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  2. Trilly

    Trilly Full-Time Respecter Of Women Trusted

    I'm not blaming him.

    I'm saying that if want to hold people to the same ridiculous standards then Gabriel should have made the split-second decision to cover Vardy instead.

    Mustafi simply was not involved in that play tbf. It was good attacking play more than anything. Side to side movement from Leicester exploited us as they caught us at the exact moment that Mustafi was retreating back to the defensive line (but not close enough to pick up Vardy for Gabriel) while Xhaka was coming up to squeeze that side of the pitch.

    After that it's a perfectly weighted pass, two very fast players running and an excellent first time cross. It usually only takes around three good actions to create a goal scoring chance.

    We never get to that number because somebody is always under-hitting a pass, not making a run, taking a heavy touch, making the wrong decision etc.
     
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  3. Manberg

    Manberg Predator

    I really don’t see what Xhaka could do in that situation. He defended well for the majority of the game. That goal came as the team pushed up and left spaces which Leicester exploited on that counter. Only thing I guess he can do is bring Under down but that could risk a red like Swansea. The level some of you go to blame Xhaka for everything is so typical of your agendas. Xhaka had a decent game otherwise and did what he was required to do. Made many clearances.
     
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  4. Trilly

    Trilly Full-Time Respecter Of Women Trusted

    There are a lot of people who have made their mind up about Xhaka before a ball is even kicked so I tend not to bother debating with them on the player. Fair play for you admitting you made a mistake but initially I thought you were just manipulating the truth to suit your agenda.

    To address your points

    1. I don't think he was ball watching, if you watch the clip back he's squeezing up just like Mustafi did earlier in the clip when the ball was on the right side. That's a clear tactical instruction and it makes sense. Shrink the pitch, pressure the ball and make sure they don't have the time to play a ball into the space behind.

    2. It's very good movement from Under, he fakes to come toward the ball and then spins in behind. If Xhaka doesn't go with him he picks up the ball and has a free run at our defence. As soon as Under darts in behind Xhaka responds immediately and that's why I don't get why he's getting critcism. He squeezes like he's meant to do and then responds straight away to the attackers movement. It's not his fault that Under is faster than him.
     
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  5. blaze_of_glory

    blaze_of_glory Moderator Moderator

    Goes to show what can happen if you fail to score. All this talk about the goal but really we shouldn't be in a position where one goal against loses us the game. We need to get the attack going.
     
  6. Trilly

    Trilly Full-Time Respecter Of Women Trusted

    I don't get this, what do you mean by picked him up? Surely if he man marks him tightly that gives Under even more room to get in behind? If he drops off him then he breaks the press we were attempting?
     
  7. Trilly

    Trilly Full-Time Respecter Of Women Trusted

    And that's what's most ironic about all of this. Xhaka was trying to do just that which I'm guessing was the instruction by Arteta.
     
  8. RacingPhoton

    RacingPhoton Well-Known Member

    Leaking a goal is a bad thing no matter what. The fact that we didn't score is also bad and Laca is being bashed in his thread. But one doesn't make an excuse for another. Both are bad.
     
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  9. Trilly

    Trilly Full-Time Respecter Of Women Trusted

    Not scoring is definitely worse than not conceding though.

    The record for clean sheets kept in a PL season is 24? What's the record for most goals scored? 106
     
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  10. Sebastes

    Sebastes Statbomb Merchant

    Exactly this. Been reading the last couple of pages and can't for the life of me understand people who fail to see that Xhaka messed this up.

    Then I don't at all understand how we set up in possession, it feels like the only true central players are Laca, Partey and Gabriel in a line. Both Laca and Gabriel are flanked by players near to them though, while Thomas was left to cover the rest of the space pretty much alone.

    Arteta should never have set up like this, but Xhaka has to do better. Those two are to blame and no one else, imho.
     
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  11. RacingPhoton

    RacingPhoton Well-Known Member

    :lol: Wow. Nice argument. A team can have only one cleansheet per game. But they can score any number of goals in a game. You may have to compare maximum number of goals conceded vs maximum number of goals scored.
    Just because Xhaka is involved, we should stop complaining about defense now?:facepalm: Why would people go this far to defend a below average player like him?
     
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  12. blaze_of_glory

    blaze_of_glory Moderator Moderator

    Letting in a single goal is not nearly as bad as failing to score. There's no argument here. You can win 100% of games letting in one goal. You can't win a single game if you don't score yourself.
     
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  13. Manberg

    Manberg Predator

    Sounds like Michael Owen. If you don’t score you don’t win :lol:
     
  14. blaze_of_glory

    blaze_of_glory Moderator Moderator

    When he's right, he's right
     
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  15. Trilly

    Trilly Full-Time Respecter Of Women Trusted

    I'm not doing any of what you think/say I'm doing.

    Your hatred of Xhaka just blinds you. You implied that we should treat our defence and attack with equal scrutiny but that just doesn't make sense. There's a reason why the saying 'great offence beats great defence' is used in all sport. It's the same reasons why attackers get paid more than defenders.

    There will definitely be times this season where you have to hold your hands up and say that was just great offence. Leicester combined two moments of quality with excellent decision making and movement to score that goal.
     
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  16. RacingPhoton

    RacingPhoton Well-Known Member

    Wow. Logical reasoning is taking a serious hit in this thread today.
     
  17. blaze_of_glory

    blaze_of_glory Moderator Moderator

    Indeed it is
     
  18. RacingPhoton

    RacingPhoton Well-Known Member

    I just quoted the statement you made :lol: You said not scoring is definitely worse than conceding because maximum number of cleansheet is less than maximum goals scored by a team. How can those 2 stats be even compared when one of them is limited by maximum 1 per game?
    0-1 is a defeat and 3-4 is also a defeat. Both have to be looked with equal scrutiny.
     
  19. blaze_of_glory

    blaze_of_glory Moderator Moderator

    Damn I must have forgot all those 0-0 wins
     
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  20. RacingPhoton

    RacingPhoton Well-Known Member

    And those 0-1 defeats?
     

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