Great players who became overrated after retirement

[Rex Caudillo]

Kolo Touré, literally never brought up in any conversation ever despite being a part of the Invincibles and played his entire PL career at top clubs.

The man played like 350+ PL games, won the league going undefeated, won 2 FA Cups and was at the heart of the defense that got to the CL final.

The last Arsenal legend in fact…

 

[MikelHadADream]

John Terry.

Rio Ferdinand was such a better player but somehow they’re perceived as equals? Sol comfortably better as well.

Helped by playing in a hell of a deep line with Mourinho. Good player but I’m not having him in the same bracket as the great modern CBs like Cannavaro, Ramos or Van Dijk.

When he wasn’t defending in his own box with a load of defensive midfielders in front of him he was like a fish out of water. He got brutally exposed by AVBs high line.

That being said though, he can’t take his accomplishments away from him, and that era of football did require less high pressing/high defensive lines, so I think it’s a bit harsh to judge him by today’s standards.

 

[Batman]

I literally said he's an all time great in his own right & was underrated during his playing time. He shouldn’t be in any top 5 or top 10 lists like some people pretend like he belongs to. The guy struggled to beat the Nets in an NBA finals, got outscored by Ginobilli/Parker in basically every one of their win against the pistons, got outplayed by Tony Parker against Lebron & the make a wish kids in a final they shouldn’t have even been in as the Suns were the best team but got screwed with players getting suspended over nothing & he was an obvious role player for the last ring(I don't really count it against him as he was old). Only in 1999 he was truly dominant for the title. He was great piece in a an incredible well oiled machine & Garnett was screwed by having to toil in a crap franchise. His all time great status is unquestioned but let's not change history here.

Respectfully, this is just proof that you don't understand basketball. First of all, you're not bringing up his defensive contributions because you lack the basketball literacy to analyze them. Beyond that, you can't recognize the evolution of multiple systems anchored by Tim Duncan allowing other players to thrive, a hallmark of great players.

By your logic, LeBron shouldn't get credit for 3 out of 4 of his rings because Wade and Kyrie were the closers in those series' and we should question his status as a top 2 player because he lost to Dirk with no second star and was outplayed in that series by Dirk, Jason Terry, JJ Barea, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh.

The only reason Tim Duncan doesn't have 6 rings is because Pop made the strangest decision of his career and didn't foul to prevent giving Ray Allen a chance to hit that 3. It's insane to hold his brilliance as both an individual and a team player against him somehow because it allowed his teammates the space and opportunity to flourish alongside him.

It's also telling that the group of people who hold him in the highest esteem are those who actually played the game against him while the most casual viewers possible find silly reasons to try to discredit him like his presence creating space for his teammates.

 

[Ash10]

Respectfully, this is just proof that you don't understand basketball. First of all, you're not bringing up his defensive contributions because you lack the basketball literacy to analyze them. Beyond that, you can't recognize the evolution of multiple systems anchored by Tim Duncan allowing other players to thrive, a hallmark of great players.

By your logic, LeBron shouldn't get credit for 3 out of 4 of his rings because Wade and Kyrie were the closers in those series' and we should question his status as a top 2 player because he lost to Dirk with no second star and was outplayed in that series by Dirk, Jason Terry, JJ Barea, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh.

The only reason Tim Duncan doesn't have 6 rings is because Pop made the strangest decision of his career and didn't foul to prevent giving Ray Allen a chance to hit that 3. It's insane to hold his brilliance as both an individual and a team player against him somehow because it allowed his teammates the space and opportunity to flourish alongside him.

It's also telling that the group of people who hold him in the highest esteem are those who actually played the game against him while the most casual viewers possible find silly reasons to try to discredit him like his presence creating space for his teammates.

I didn’t say a single bad thing about the Pistons when I talked about how he didn’t really light it up in the finals just because of my respect for their defence. Comparison to Lebron is laughable when he led in basically every stat in every ring he won. He himself would admit that the 2011 finals will always be held against him but he redeemed himself by killing the boston big 3 in the game 6 next year. Tim Duncan never did anything like that as he never had to as he basically played his whole career as part of a big 3 with other 2 being good enough to win games on their own. You can't just play defence & create space from time to time as your great teammates take over to become a top 5/top 10 player. Players praise other players all the time, that doesn’t really mean anything. Charles Barkley calls him the greatest power forward of all time when he played more than half his career as a centre. The same Charles Barkley who kept on saying you can't win with jumpshots whilst GSW kept on winning with jumpshots. You probably support the Sp**s & if so then it’s fine like how Farzad kept on saying Magic is the GOAT

 

[Rex Caudillo]

When he wasn’t defending in his own box with a load of defensive midfielders in front of him he was like a fish out of water. He got brutally exposed by AVBs high line.

That being said though, he can’t take his accomplishments away from him, and that era of football did require less high pressing/high defensive lines, so I think it’s a bit harsh to judge him by today’s standards.

I just don’t ever really think he was a central part of those achievements in the way he’s portrayed now by the media.

Lampard, Carvalho, Makelele, Cole, Cech and then Courtois, Fabregas and Costa were always bigger reasons for their successes in my eyes.

Don’t get me wrong he was a good player but massively overrated.

 

[Majora]

I think he's up there. Great with the ball, pivotal for Man City during his time there and captained Belgium to their best results in recent memory. Not VVD level for me but I think there's a genuine case to be made for VVD being top 3 in PL history.



It's weird how much praise Scholes gets while Carrick is almost forgotten.

Carrick was better than both Giggs and Scholes IMO.

Don’t disagree with any of this but that’s where I think it gets a bit much. If we’re saying VVD is a top 1-3 CB in PL history but that Kompany isn’t at that level (which I agree with) then he shouldn’t come up as a potential option for either CB position in an all time best eleven. There’s too many defenders that are a level above for me, for that conversation. Still clearly a great defender/leader though

 

[ArsenesCoatMaker]

Carrick was better than both Giggs and Scholes IMO.

I usually rate your contributions very highly but that's a terrible basement dweller take IMO

 

[ArsenesCoatMaker]

The idea of Scholes being the elite controller coincided with the great Barca team, and a few Pep quotes (who’s known to exaggerate the competency off his opponents). I think that’s what really elevated his reputation, along with the United PR in the media.

Don’t get me wrong, top player but he’s not at the level people put him at.

Carrick was really underrated yeah, should have been an England regular. They are really missing a player like him now.

I brought up the Scholes being overrated thing but this is criminally underrating him. Firstly if you think Pep is the lone man praising Scholes, you're wrong, how about you look at Xavi and Zidane who both consider him 1 of the best before we get into all the others who rate him as elite tier.

TH14 rates Scholes as the best player he didn't play with

 

[MikelHadADream]

I brought up the Scholes being overrated thing but this is criminally underrating him. Firstly if you think Pep is the lone man praising Scholes, you're wrong, how about you look at Xavi and Zidane who both consider him 1 of the best before we get into all the others who rate him as elite tier.

TH14 rates Scholes as the best player he didn't play with

Not saying he’s not a top player.

People seriously have him above the like of Xavi, Kroos and Pirlo which is just ridiculous.