Is Football Punditry Getting Worse?

[Riou]

@jones

This is somehow both a spot on impression of Lineker, but also a terrible one

 

[jones]

I don’t really care about Zonal Marking. I just named a couple of guys who would talk about tactics rather than laughing at Roy Keane again.

if you prefer Micah Richards to some actual insight then all power to you. Personally I’d rather something aimed at adults.

When I want some actual insight for adults I pick up a book.

Really happy for you though if you feel enlightened listening to a podcast of some bloke discussing 22 men running behind a ball.

 

[Blood on the Tracks]

It's **** as well but a different hue of sh*t if you will lol. There are many ex-players as in the UK but not nearly the amount of big names running around just to have a former PL great on the show. Many lesser or unknown guys with a coaching background but then again a lot of them chat absolute rubbish where you wonder why they were invited.

Other than that the usual mentality, passion etc bollocks which fills air time. To be fair though there are a couple proper football minds who understand what they're watching that you don't have in the UK, Lothar Matthäus comes to mind. Complete imbecile off the pitch, absolute garbage coach on par with Neville but his analysis on TV is by far the best I've seen anywhere go figure.

What's the joke in Germany in regards to Lothar Mattheus?

I remember in Munich they were selling loads of postcards with pictures of him on with grammatically incorrect English.

I take it his English bad?

 

[GDeep™]

Don’t listen to any punditry at all in the UK anymore, other than Neville/Carragher. It doesn’t help that Sky and BT have to go into breaks every 2 minutes, means pundits have 30 seconds or less at times to make their point.

We’ve got to listen to women now too, only because they it ticks a box, that’s hurt the punditry. Alex Scott is quality and better than most male pundits, but after her it falls of a cliff.

 

[jones]

What's the joke in Germany in regards to Lothar Mattheus?

I remember in Munich they were selling loads of postcards with pictures of him on with grammatically incorrect English.

I take it his English bad?

Yea it's atrocious, like he's infamous for it. Sounds like a OAP talking any language other than German e.g. talking about Barca he'd say Bartzeloner.

He's even more infamous for his failed public relationships with young girls, think he's divorced like six times now. He's around 60 and his most famous relationship couple years ago was with a 19 year old girl he used to pick up from school.

 

[Big Poppa]

Interesting to see the fallout from Carragher's comments in the studio about Salah being disadvantaged by playing for Egypt due to AFCON being less prestigious than the Euros or Copa America.

Jamie Carragher awkwardly checked during Mohamed Salah debate

Regardless of whether or not we agree with him, this is another example of a poorly handled discussion topic by a pundit who is accustomed to living in a bubble of unaired and unchallenged views, and subconsciously perpetuates common, lazy, narratives.

It's a shame for me that this kind of topic can't be discussed in an intellectually open way.

 

[Riou]

Interesting to see the fallout from Carragher's comments in the studio about Salah being disadvantaged by playing for Egypt due to AFCON being less prestigious than the Euros or Copa America.

Jamie Carragher awkwardly checked during Mohamed Salah debate

Regardless of whether or not we agree with him, this is another example of a poorly handled discussion topic by a pundit who is accustomed to living in a bubble of unaired and unchallenged views, and subconsciously perpetuates common, lazy, narratives.

It's a shame for me that this kind of topic can't be discussed in an intellectually open way.

Spitting-gate showed what low level **** he is, he's a nasty piece of sh1t I believe.

 

[Batman]

Interesting to see the fallout from Carragher's comments in the studio about Salah being disadvantaged by playing for Egypt due to AFCON being less prestigious than the Euros or Copa America.

Jamie Carragher awkwardly checked during Mohamed Salah debate

Regardless of whether or not we agree with him, this is another example of a poorly handled discussion topic by a pundit who is accustomed to living in a bubble of unaired and unchallenged views, and subconsciously perpetuates common, lazy, narratives.

It's a shame for me that this kind of topic can't be discussed in an intellectually open way.

This is why I have a lot of time for Micah Richards. People just think of him as being kind of jolly and jokey, but he calls out BS in real time and is not afraid to challenge ignorance. The whole business of him having a go at Salah over the talk about his contract exposed that he's a clown.

When his mate Slippy was flirting with Madrid and Chelsea, that was fine. The Egyptian guy who has done more for Liverpool FC than Everton supporter Jamie Carragher could ever dream of answers a question about his contract and this clown makes a federal case out of it. It's not hard to see why he and Gary Neville are thick as thieves. 2 ignorant tools who you rightly characterize as living in a bubble who think that by virtue of the demographic they belong to, any opinion they have is valid and worth sharing to the masses.

 

[Let's play Aubamawang]

Interesting to see the fallout from Carragher's comments in the studio about Salah being disadvantaged by playing for Egypt due to AFCON being less prestigious than the Euros or Copa America.

Jamie Carragher awkwardly checked during Mohamed Salah debate

Regardless of whether or not we agree with him, this is another example of a poorly handled discussion topic by a pundit who is accustomed to living in a bubble of unaired and unchallenged views, and subconsciously perpetuates common, lazy, narratives.

It's a shame for me that this kind of topic can't be discussed in an intellectually open way.

That's an awfully nice way to say he's a racist. That's the real story here.

I don't go in for this woke culture, but if it gets Carragher off my TV screen then I'll happily be a paid up member.

The snivelling Scouse wretch.

 

[Tir Na Nog]

@jones

Apres Match was ****ing brilliant

 

[Tir Na Nog]

When I think of punditry all I can think about is the 2010 world cup England vs Germany and the BBC pundits basically ripping into Germany and completely dismissing them, saying they couldn't cope with the experience and ability of England's golden generation.

This was the very first time I realised none of these pundits had a clue what they were talking about. I wanna say it was Hansen, Shearer and Lawrenson but not 100% sure, definitely Hansen was there.

 

[AberGooner]

When I think of punditry all I can think about is the 2010 world cup England vs Germany and the BBC pundits basically ripping into Germany and completely dismissing them, saying they couldn't cope with the experience and ability of England's golden generation.

This was the very first time I realised none of these pundits had a clue what they were talking about. I wanna say it was Hansen, Shearer and Lawrenson but not 100% sure, definitely Hansen was there.

I remember this. None of them had a clue that Germany had been building towards that level since the Euro 2004 failure. They'd an amazing generation of their own starting to hit their prime and I'm sure it was the year prior many of them had won the under 21 championship.

Now to say I expected them to beat England 4-1 that day would be a lie but it was obvious Germany where a very talented side.

 

[Big Poppa]

That's an awfully nice way to say he's a racist. That's the real story here.

I don't go in for this woke culture, but if it gets Carragher off my TV screen then I'll happily be a paid up member.

The snivelling Scouse wretch.

Annoying as he is and racist as he might be, Carragher is A story not THE story. He's the symptom of a far bigger problem. Souness was like him but worse. These folks always tell on themselves when you hear them talk about "foreigners" in context of the British game.

Back to Carragher, there are probably more people in Europe who share his views than those who don't, and these are people in positions of significant influence in football. FIFA, UEFA, IFAB and more. That's the bigger concern for me.

 

[ArsenesCoatMaker]

Annoying as he is and racist as he might be, Carragher is A story not THE story. He's the symptom of a far bigger problem. Souness was like him but worse. These folks always tell on themselves when you hear them talk about "foreigners" in context of the British game.

Back to Carragher, there are probably more people in Europe who share his views than those who don't, and these are people in positions of significant influence in football. FIFA, UEFA, IFAB and more. That's the bigger concern for me.

There's too much of a cryfest race protest over AFCON not being a huge competition. It isn't. It's pretty obvious no one is winning Ballon D'or from AFCON performances. Most people don't know most the players of the winning team, or any of them for that matter

It's a decent competition, I used to watch in the 90s, it's not a poor level and neither is the Championship or the leagues outside the Top 5 in Europe. But neither is it of the same level as the elite. Crying racism over that doesn't make logical sense

 

[Big Poppa]

There's too much of a cryfest race protest over AFCON not being a huge competition. It isn't. It's pretty obvious no one is winning Ballon D'or from AFCON performances. Most people don't know most the players of the winning team, or any of them for that matter

It's a decent competition, I used to watch in the 90s, it's not a poor level and neither is the Championship or the leagues outside the Top 5 in Europe. But neither is it of the same level as the elite. Crying racism over that doesn't make logical sense

I didn’t want to entertain this gaslighting bs but I will.

The AFCON is the biggest prize an African player can win that isn’t the World Cup. It is therefore a huge tournament in the same way the Euros is a huge tournament for a European player. The last one had a worldwide audience of 2 billion people.

Difficulty of winning it is a different, subjective conversation, although a team like Morocco, who went further than England at the last World Cup, failed to reach the AFCON quarter finals.

Before belittling its quality, consider all the ethnic African talent playing for European nations - Saka (Nigeria), Isak (Eritrea), Musiala (Nigeria), Davies (Liberia), Mbappé (Cameroon), Yamal (Morocco), Nico Williams (Ghana).

The irony of the Ballon D’Or is that it is an award invented by France Football. From a nation that probably relies the most on a post colonial pipeline of African talent.

That cannot be the only benchmark.

 

[2Smokeyy]

@jones

Who can forget Alan Hansen’s classic line “two banks of four”

 

[Macho]

I'm no Joe Public and Micah >>>>>> Michael Cox. Haven't read anything in ages from him but Cox dresses a lot of obvious stuff in fancy terminology and in other instances it's just pure waffle. Noncething with a journalism degree.

I actually agree with this. A bit pompous and he's really leaned into his reputation for in depth analysis overdoing it at times. Things he could explan simply is loaded with jargon, but there is a market for this.

 

[Macho]

This is why I have a lot of time for Micah Richards. People just think of him as being kind of jolly and jokey, but he calls out BS in real time and is not afraid to challenge ignorance. The whole business of him having a go at Salah over the talk about his contract exposed that he's a clown.

When his mate Slippy was flirting with Madrid and Chelsea, that was fine. The Egyptian guy who has done more for Liverpool FC than Everton supporter Jamie Carragher could ever dream of answers a question about his contract and this clown makes a federal case out of it. It's not hard to see why he and Gary Neville are thick as thieves. 2 ignorant tools who you rightly characterize as living in a bubble who think that by virtue of the demographic they belong to, any opinion they have is valid and worth sharing to the masses.

I didn’t want to entertain this gaslighting bs but I will.

The AFCON is the biggest prize an African player can win that isn’t the World Cup. It is therefore a huge tournament in the same way the Euros is a huge tournament for a European player. The last one had a worldwide audience of 2 billion people.

Difficulty of winning it is a different, subjective conversation, although a team like Morocco, who went further than England at the last World Cup, failed to reach the AFCON quarter finals.

Before belittling its quality, consider all the ethnic African talent playing for European nations - Saka (Nigeria), Isak (Eritrea), Musiala (Nigeria), Davies (Liberia), Mbappé (Cameroon), Yamal (Morocco), Nico Williams (Ghana).

The irony of the Ballon D’Or is that it is an award invented by France Football. From a nation that probably relies the most on a post colonial pipeline of African talent.

That cannot be the only benchmark.

You know what, this forum ain't that bad.

 

[hydrofluoric acid]

Did anyone see Jon Obi-Mikel packing Carragher.

Need more of this.