BigPoppaPump
Reeling from Laca & Kos nightmares
This is the new squad cost isn’t it? It’s somehow even more boring which I didn’t know was possible.
Yeah we all know it's when Robert Baratheon beat Prince Rhaeger at the Trident.Camus vs Abou
Yes this is from GOT/ASOIAF.
10 years ago, the big boys were United, Chelsea and CityI trust me eyes and memory when I say the league is tougher now. Ten years ago the big boys thumped smaller teams on the reg to a bigger extent than today
Same goes for everybody getting more TV money. There’s a lot of posters who can’t see this.I don't think it is any better or worse, every team is fitter, faster and stronger but if every team is say 30% better than 20 years ago then the level of competition is equal.
That's a simplified outlook.I don't think it is any better or worse, every team is fitter, faster and stronger but if every team is say 30% better than 20 years ago then the level of competition is equal. Of course the level will fluctuate a little and there will be natural lulls and peaks, strong seasons and weaker seasons but I just don't see a big level difference.
In the past the top teams battered the small teams, the small teams shocked the big teams, promoted sides struggled and went straight back down, promoted sides were a breath of fresh air and finished top 10, badly run big teams got sucked into relegation fights, minnows punched above their weight, the top strikers of the day scored 20+ league goals then and now etc.
If the gap between the players has narrowed as some keep saying, why has the league been won with record breaking points totals over the last few years? 99 points, 98 points, 100 points, never been seen before. The gap is not narrowing.The players will still fit somewhere into the pyramid. Some will still be better than others as was always the case. But the gap between the players has narrowed significantly due to a focus on footballing talent.
Yeah we all know it's when Robert Baratheon beat Prince Rhaeger at the Trident.
But nobody had the ressources that City has. I mean even there bench is worth more than most teams in the league.If the gap between the players has narrowed as some keep saying, why has the league been won with record breaking points totals over the last few years? 99 points, 98 points, 100 points, never been seen before. The gap is not narrowing.
Compare the league now team by team from 18/19 to now. There is absolutely no way any reasonable mind comes out with any other conclusion than that it has improved. This is a kind of funny post. And lower point totals by teams at the top doesn't mean what you are trying to make it mean.
True but it wasn’t just City, one was Liverpool. If players are all more technical and the gap between the top and lower EPL players has narrowed, then we shouldn’t be seeing records broken by the top teams.But nobody had the ressources that City has. I mean even there bench is worth more than most teams in the league.
So you're saying the league became more competitive since 18/19?Compare the league now team by team from 18/19 to now. There is absolutely no way any reasonable mind comes out with any other conclusion than that it has improved. This is a kind of funny post. And lower point totals by teams at the top doesn't mean what you are trying to make it mean.
So why is there more emphasis now on the physical and tactical side of the game now compared to before?That's a simplified outlook.
20/30 years ago players that broke through were big and strong. Enforcers took priority over talent. That's completely changed.
True but it wasn’t just City, one was Liverpool. If players are all more technical and the gap between the top and lower EPL players has narrowed, then we shouldn’t be seeing records broken by the top teams.
So you're saying the league became more competitive since 18/19?
So explain how is it that since that time we've witness one of the lamest top four challenge. At least in 18/19 the top four challenge was interesting. But nowadays, teams like Chelsea, united and Liverpool have a bad season and still qualify for the top four.
If the league is so competitive why have teams like Everton been unable to capitalize on Chelsea's, Liverpool's and Man utd's mid season collapse on the past few years?
Like said a few weeks ago, every team in the league benefitted from the TV money. So relative to other league, the league is now far more competitive. A midtable team can outspend other top teams from other leagues. But within itself, the league has largely remained the same.
Fair point. But looking only at the 1st spot kind of misses the point though. The thing which most people are saying is that there are more mid table teams which are stronger. To try and look at this objectively, we can consider a hypothesis that here is that if mid table teams are stronger, they would get more points at the end of the season. The question that arises then though is what exactly are "mid table clubs".If the gap between the players has narrowed as some keep saying, why has the league been won with record breaking points totals over the last few years? 99 points, 98 points, 100 points, never been seen before. The gap is not narrowing.
Year/Average Points | 5 | 6 | 7 |
2010-17 | 68.3 | 63.9 | 59.0 |
2018-20 | 66.0 | 63.3 | 59.3 |
Year | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 |
2010-17 | 52.1 | 49.3 | 47.0 | 45.8 |
2018-20 | 57.0 | 55.0 | 55.0 | 52.3 |
Top post. I enjoyed reading it. Somebody finally thinking through an idea rather than just spouting the league is getting harder without any evidence.Fair point. But looking only at the 1st spot kind of misses the point though. The thing which most people are saying is that there are more mid table teams which are stronger. To try and look at this objectively, we can consider a hypothesis that here is that if mid table teams are stronger, they would get more points at the end of the season. The question that arises then though is what exactly are "mid table clubs".
Lets look at average points the teams have got from 2010-2017 and from 2018- 2020
If we consider the clubs finishing 5-6-7
Year/Average Points 5 6 72010-17 68.3 63.9 59.02018-20 66.0 63.3 59.3
Its all pretty similar. I don`t think there is anything to indicate that teams which finish 5,6 and 7 are better or worse than before.
Now lets look at teams finishing 8-11
Year 8 9 10 112010-17 52.1 49.3 47.0 45.82018-20 57.0 55.0 55.0 52.3
Here we see a completely different story. Across the board, the teams here are scoring more points then they did before.
This is also because of the fact that these clubs have much more money to spend than before. The clubs finishing 8,9,10 and 11 finished with the highest points tally in the last 11 years last season.
Basically, I don`t think "mid table clubs" have necessarily gotten stronger. There are more "mid table clubs" though and due to this, the league has become tougher.
This is not an excuse to Arteta or Arsenal though because given our size and spending, we should be above most of the mid table clubs anyway. My expectation from Arsenal is that we should get 68/70 points this season. That should be enough for 5th or 6th place at worst.
Been looking through the Premier League tables over the years and in the 90s it was quite common for the 8th team to get 60 points. 1994 8th 60, 9th 60, 10th 57, 11th 56 which is higher than last seasons. I'm not sure what conclusion you can draw from these mid table statistics, but very interesting.Fair point. But looking only at the 1st spot kind of misses the point though. The thing which most people are saying is that there are more mid table teams which are stronger. To try and look at this objectively, we can consider a hypothesis that here is that if mid table teams are stronger, they would get more points at the end of the season. The question that arises then though is what exactly are "mid table clubs".
Lets look at average points the teams have got from 2010-2017 and from 2018- 2020
If we consider the clubs finishing 5-6-7
Year/Average Points 5 6 72010-17 68.3 63.9 59.02018-20 66.0 63.3 59.3
Its all pretty similar. I don`t think there is anything to indicate that teams which finish 5,6 and 7 are better or worse than before.
Now lets look at teams finishing 8-11
Year 8 9 10 112010-17 52.1 49.3 47.0 45.82018-20 57.0 55.0 55.0 52.3
Here we see a completely different story. Across the board, the teams here are scoring more points then they did before.
This is also because of the fact that these clubs have much more money to spend than before. The clubs finishing 8,9,10 and 11 finished with the highest points tally in the last 11 years last season.
Basically, I don`t think "mid table clubs" have necessarily gotten stronger. There are more "mid table clubs" though and due to this, the league has become tougher.
This is not an excuse to Arteta or Arsenal though because given our size and spending, we should be above most of the mid table clubs anyway. My expectation from Arsenal is that we should get 68/70 points this season. That should be enough for 5th or 6th place at worst.