Ivan Toney

[2Smokeyy]

I don’t rate many strikers in the PL but Toney is definitely one of the few. Still if you gave me the choice between him or Ferguson then I’m taking the latter. Evan Ferguson is destined for the very top but I doubt he’s attainable.

Ferguson/Toney, Kubo and Timber then we go again.

 

[drippin]

I don’t rate many strikers in the PL but Toney is definitely one of the few. Still if you gave me the choice between him or Ferguson then I’m taking the latter. Evan Ferguson is destined for the very top but I doubt he’s attainable.

It's better to buy Toney for over 3x or more cheaper now, for a few years, then you can sell him, and try for Ferguson when he has a short contract and more experience.

 

[OnlyOne]

Jesus is injured a lot, and can play also on the wings. Nketiah isn't the best fit, and Toney is an upgrade on him.

That's not what my point has been, I like Toney but if we're getting a striker you either get one who's already world-class or one who has obvious potential to be. Signing Toney kills that chance.

 

[OnlyOne]

It's better to buy Toney for over 3x or more cheaper now, for a few years, then you can sell him, and try for Ferguson when he has a short contract and more experience.

What a load of rubbish. Nearly stuck you on ignore your post was that bad. You have one more chance.

 

[drippin]

That's not what my point has been, I like Toney but if we're getting a striker you either get one who's already world-class or one who has obvious potential to be. Signing Toney kills that chance.

Jesus is almost a world class player, who is only 26,5 years old. He can still learn to finish well which is the only thing lacking for it.

I think it's pretty good plan to have Toney and Jesus for the false 9 role, while Jesus can rest Saka. Buy a world class striker for 150+ million and Jesus or someone else won't get enough game-time.

Arsenal needs funds to replace Partey and Jorginho soon for example.

 

[drippin]

What a load of rubbish. Nearly stuck you on ignore your post was that bad. You have one more chance.

Care to argue what is rubbish rather than just complain?

 

[db10_therza]

I doubt he’s attainable

Yeah, my snake is definitely bigger than your snake…

It's better to buy Toney for over 3x or more cheaper now, for a few years, then you can sell him, and try for Ferguson when he has a short contract and more experience.

I do really like Toney fwiw, it’s just the quoted price that’s throwing me off but that’s a me problem. Regardless what you’re saying here is reaching a bit. Toney is 27, if we buy him now likelihood is we’ll sell him for next to nothing in a few years and given how well run Brighton are I highly doubt they won’t get Ferguson to sign an extension soon.

 

[MikelHadADream]

But that's exactly why Arsenal might go for Toney in January, because Chelsea and maybe Tottenham push for Toney then.

By the summer Toney might be gone, Osimhen could opt for Real or Barcelona, and Ferguson cost 200+ million from Brighton for a player who is not experienced.

It’s Mbappe or bust for Madrid and Barca are skint.

I think a move to the PL or PSG is most likely for VO.

 

[drippin]

I do really like Toney fwiw, it’s just the quoted price that’s throwing me off but that’s a me problem. Regardless what you’re saying here is reaching a bit. Toney is 27, if we buy him now likelihood is we’ll sell him for next to nothing in a few years and given how well run Brighton are I highly doubt they won’t get Ferguson to sign an extension soon.

Ferguson just extended 6 months ago and has contract until 2028. Bloom will rob clubs trying him, and Ferguson is likely wise enough to stay at Brighton for a few years. But won't stay there forever, so the best chance to get him is when his contract is shorter, like Toney's is now.

Toney is a bargain currently, and should fetch an okay fee even when he is over 30 years old. There aren't too many great strikers currently at least.

 

[OnlyOne]

Jesus is almost a world class player, who is only 26,5 years old. He can still learn to finish well.

I think it's pretty good plan to have Toney and Jesus for the false 9 role, while Jesus can rest Saka. Buy a world class striker for 150+ million and Jesus or someone else won't get enough game-time.

Arsenal needs funds to replace Partey and Jorginho soon for example.

Care to argue what is rubbish rather than just complain?

What so you want to have a £60M back-up striker? If we buy a new striker it's either someone who replaces Jesus or someone who will eventually replace him, we don't need a guy who's 28, not as good and costs a lot.

No, I don't care to argue when you post like that.

 

[drippin]

What so you want to have a £60M back-up striker? If we buy a new striker it's either someone who replaces Jesus or someone who will eventually replace him, we don't need a guy who's 28, not as good and costs a lot.

No, I don't care to argue when you post like that.

Of course you don't when you don't even at this point understand that there are no "backup players" in the main squad for Arsenal. This has been mentioned countless times, and still people use this argument.

All the important players will get game-time, based on opposition, rotation and form.

Even Arteta just hinted at this in the last interviews.

Only reason City for example has a cheap striker behind Haaland, is because Alvarez was a huge bargain. And he can play elsewhere like Jesus can.

 

[OnlyOne]

Of course you don't when you don't even at this point understand that there are no "backup players" in the main squad for Arsenal. This has been mentioned countless times, and still people use this argument.

All the important players will get game-time, based on opposition, rotation and form.

Even Arteta just hinted at this in the last interviews.

Only reason City for example has a cheap striker behind Haaland, is because Alvarez was a huge bargain. And he can play elsewhere like Jesus can.

Thank you for this. What you seem to be failing to understand is that signing Tony and having Jesus is limiting our potential. You have two strikers where one is a marginal upgrade than the other and they have little room for development.

It makes much more sense to have either a world-class striker and Jesus or Jesus and a striker who will become world-class .

 

[TheEliteMaster100_]

Toney is fundamentally/technically solid, physically built, not reliant on pace so I can see him playing to his mid 30's like Benzema/Lewandowski/Drogba.

Osimhen relies more on PnP + injury prone + not really clinical + did not light up serie A like Lukaku as of recently. Risk signing and I don't see him playing to his 30's well.


Osimhen is not as technically clean as Toney. I would rather get Toney and fix our LW issue with Martinelli out for Leao.

Leao - Toney - Saka

Why splash lots of money on CF, when we still have holes at LW, do not have a single Box 2 Box midfielder at the club, we don't have good competition at LCB (Kiwior is a joke), we don't have RCB competition for Saliba (Diomande?) and we don't have a physically dominant RB (Simakan?).

Unless Jesus plays RW, we don't have competition in that wing.

To repeat, holes in current squad

No Box to box player at all, we have lots of 6's and 10's but no true box-box player.
LW - Nelson can he be trusted? Trossard is ball to feet player and not direct/lacks pace and Martinelli is not elite
LCB - Gabriel only good option
RCB - Saliba only good option
RW -Saka only option, unless JESUS plays here
Lack of box to box signing
RB - Ben White has shown he struggles vs elite 1v1 players in Rashford/Mitoma/Grealish
Perhaps LB too (an actual classic LB).

Question marks on Timber situation after he comes back from injury and whether or not Tomiyasu can prove to us he can last a season without an injury.

Thus I repeat we need to make sales and generate funds.

 

[Rasmi]

That's not what my point has been, I like Toney but if we're getting a striker you either get one who's already world-class or one who has obvious potential to be. Signing Toney kills that chance.

So sign a world class striker( which we can’t) or massively overpay for a kid hoping he gets better like United did with Hojlund? Pay 100 million for Ferguson cause he has 10 goals in 30 games

 

[Batman]

Include ESR and Nelson and bring that tag down 25 mil.
S a u c y

Not Nelson. He's an impact sub. They could have Nketiah though. Toney is basically the player Nketiah will never become.

 

[db10_therza]

Toney is fundamentally/technically solid, physically built, not reliant on pace so I can see him playing to his mid 30's like Benzema/Lewandowski/Drogba.

Osimhen relies more on PnP + injury prone + not really clinical + did not light up serie A like Lukaku as of recently. Risk signing and I don't see him playing to his 30's well.


Osimhen is not as technically clean as Toney. I would rather get Toney and fix our LW issue with Martinelli out for Leao.

Leao - Toney - Saka

Why splash lots of money on CF, when we still have holes at LW, do not have a single Box 2 Box midfielder at the club, we don't have good competition at LCB (Kiwior is a joke), we don't have RCB competition for Saliba (Diomande?) and we don't have a physically dominant RB (Simakan?).

Unless Jesus plays RW, we don't have competition in that wing.

To repeat, holes in current squad

No Box to box player at all, we have lots of 6's and 10's but no true box-box player.
LW - Nelson can he be trusted? Trossard is ball to feet player and not direct/lacks pace and Martinelli is not elite
LCB - Gabriel only good option
RCB - Saliba only good option
RW -Saka only option, unless JESUS plays here
Lack of box to box signing
RB - Ben White has shown he struggles vs elite 1v1 players in Rashford/Mitoma/Grealish
Perhaps LB too (an actual classic LB).

Question marks on Timber situation after he comes back from injury and whether or not Tomiyasu can prove to us he can last a season without an injury.

Thus I repeat we need to make sales and generate funds.

Yuck.

You’re basically @Rasmi with more words

 

[Malky]

Toney would be an excellent signing. People just moaning because they want Ferguson, who's got the bare minimum of PL experience and Brighton will take any club to the cleaners for him.
They just held out for £115M for Caicedo, how much will they demand for Ferguson? £150M+?

 

[Rasmi]

Toney would be an excellent signing. People just moaning because they want Ferguson, who's got the bare minimum of PL experience and Brighton will take any club to the cleaners for him.
They just held out for £115M for Caicedo, how much will they demand for Ferguson? £150M+?

After caicedo I would be very wary of any Brighton player. Ferguson look slow as well

 

[2Smokeyy]

Yeah, my snake is definitely bigger than your snake…



I do really like Toney fwiw, it’s just the quoted price that’s throwing me off but that’s a me problem. Regardless what you’re saying here is reaching a bit. Toney is 27, if we buy him now likelihood is we’ll sell him for next to nothing in a few years and given how well run Brighton are I highly doubt they won’t get Ferguson to sign an extension soon.

 

[drippin]

Thank you for this. What you seem to be failing to understand is that signing Tony and having Jesus is limiting our potential. You have two strikers where one is a marginal upgrade than the other and they have little room for development.

It makes much more sense to have either a world-class striker and Jesus or Jesus and a striker who will become world-class .

Arsenal needs funds to replace injury-prone Partey, and Jorginho soon as he is aging. There are some other needs also in the defence.

I understand what you mean, but 150+ million for a striker is not super realistic even at the situation Arsenal is now. Of course I would prefer Osimhen over Toney if the funds allow it. And if Osimhen promises to join Arsenal in the summer like Jesus did. Which is not that probable as Barcelona or Real might go for him. I'm sure Arsenal tries enquire about it.

One thing to consider is also that Jesus has 3 years left next summer, and I want him extended. So that has to be taken into account also, that he has enough game-time. He can still improve and is only coming to his prime years, he is very close to world class if he can improve his finishing.

Toney is 27,5 years old, which is only coming to prime years for most strikers, and he is a late bloomer anyway. Who hasn't been injured much.