Ivan Toney

[Sparrahork]

Why? Who cares how much we pay.

People don't care about how much £65m havertz cost, or that Eddie is on £100k per week.

Ok maybe they do and they use it as a stick to bash them with.

We signed trossard for £27m when roughly the same age and contract situation as if we sign Toney in January.

Toney will be similar squad situation to trossard, i.e. likely back up to jesus.

If we overspend on a backup player that cost will be brought up time and time again as a dead weight dragging them down.

Also if we sign squad players for huge amounts that will not help us with ffp, both in terms of that transfer and future negotiations.

Man city have moved to the next stage we should be aspiring to, they sign a player for a fair fes as the player has indicated a preference. We should attempt to be that London club players demand they go to making bidding wars irrelevant.

I am against signing Toney anyway, if a bidding war to get him we either lose face if we miss out or end up paying £20m+ more than we should.

 

[drippin]

I don't think 50-60 million pounds made any sense as an asking price.

It's the basic haggling tactic to ask more first. They asked 40 million pounds for Raya, and got 30 million pounds for him.

Of course Brentford might actually want to keep him until summer if there is not an offer that compensates losing him in January. Naturally he hasn't played for a while so they might take that into account in how much they can expect to help them. And they might just want to get another attacker in January with the money.

 

[Macho]

Naturally he hasn't played for a while so they might take that into account in how much they can expect to help them. And they might just want to get another attacker in January with the money.

I like you also doubt he's actually going to go for 80 unless Chelsea carry on being a joke, but if Brentford think they won't help them much then is he isn't going to help us much.

 

[drippin]

I like you also doubt he's actually going to go for 80, but if he isn't going to help Brentford he ain't going to help us much will he.

Yeah well it's mostly about match fitness and sharpness. It would kinda help if they could buy him at the start of the window to adjust to the training, team and tactics. His first possible game is at the end of January. He can't play for Brentford earlier either.

He seemed like annoyed in his interview, and saying he will come back better and a changed man. Doubt he will take too much to get back playing well, but it's a risk for either club.

 

[Xln]

People don't care about how much £65m havertz cost, or that Eddie is on £100k per week.

Ok maybe they do and they use it as a stick to bash them with.

We signed trossard for £27m when roughly the same age and contract situation as if we sign Toney in January.

Toney will be similar squad situation to trossard, i.e. likely back up to jesus.

If we overspend on a backup player that cost will be brought up time and time again as a dead weight dragging them down.

Also if we sign squad players for huge amounts that will not help us with ffp, both in terms of that transfer and future negotiations.

Man city have moved to the next stage we should be aspiring to, they sign a player for a fair fes as the player has indicated a preference. We should attempt to be that London club players demand they go to making bidding wars irrelevant.

I am against signing Toney anyway, if a bidding war to get him we either lose face if we miss out or end up paying £20m+ more than we should.

I honestly don't give a crap about City since they probably breached and cheated on player prices etc.


As for us, why should we care if Arsenal spends 80m for Toney? It's not our money and we are not going bankrupt or anything. The "we are not a buying club" sail has sunk anyway we should just overspend and force ourselves some trophies.


If he comes here and he earns top 3 wages then yes I will agree with you questioning it but that's not about the sum itself, more about the status of the player. For example Havertz on huge money makes no sense at all, seeing he's worse than our reserves.

 

[Sparrahork]

I honestly don't give a crap about City since they probably breached and cheated on player prices etc.


As for us, why should we care if Arsenal spends 80m for Toney? It's not our money and we are not going bankrupt or anything. The "we are not a buying club" sail has sunk anyway we should just overspend and force ourselves some trophies.


If he comes here and he earns top 3 wages then yes I will agree with you questioning it but that's not about the sum itself, more about the status of the player. For example Havertz on huge money makes no sense at all, seeing he's worse than our reserves.

We overspent on havertz. If we paid £50m for him just a little less scrutiny and he could have considered it a fresh start rather than the focus there is on his transfer price.

Same for Toney, notice how many here are saying £80m is crazy money. He would have to play well beyond his Brentford level to silence the doubters.

Toney is a good player but simply not the profile that merits an £80m spend. Save it and buy better players and more of them

 

[Xln]

We overspent on havertz. If we paid £50m for him just a little less scrutiny and he could have considered it a fresh start rather than the focus there is on his transfer price.

Same for Toney, notice how many here are saying £80m is crazy money. He would have to play well beyond his Brentford level to silence the doubters.

Toney is a good player but simply not the profile that merits an £80m spend. Save it and buy better players and more of them

Who else can we get to adress our striker issues then? People don't rate Eddie to be our back up and Jesus has injury problems... I genuinely think 80m is nothing for a CF at current time. The drought is insane.

 

[The_Playmaker]

I think when you thrash out a deal like we did with Raya. There is probably a price for us and a price for everyone else.

Maybe the Raya deal is on condition we come in for Toney in January.

 

[Rasmi]

I think when you thrash out a deal like we did with Raya. There is probably a price for us and a price for everyone else.

Maybe the Raya deal is on condition we come in for Toney in January.

Both coach and owner are Arsenal fans. I think Arteta has finally accepted Jesus is not main striker just like Brazil team who did everything to give him that nr 9 shirt for long time and he just couldn’t be relied on. You don’t sub your main striker 77th min when drawing at home to your main rival.

 

[CannonBals]

Both coach and owner are Arsenal fans. I think Arteta has finally accepted Jesus is not main striker just like Brazil team who did everything to give him that nr 9 shirt for long time and he just couldn’t be relied on. You don’t sub your main striker 77th min when drawing at home to your main rival.

Jesus and Zinchenko are coming back from injuries and are thus not completing games. I think this was well known.

 

[Sparrahork]

Who else can we get to adress our striker issues then? People don't rate Eddie to be our back up and Jesus has injury problems... I genuinely think 80m is nothing for a CF at current time. The drought is insane.

I would consider both trossard and esr from within, perhaps havertz too if midfield really not working for him. Those players are not out and out strikers but will create space and opportunities for others.

I think younger talents will emerge by the time we decide (internally) Eddie isn't quite cutting it. I am interested to see wahi when we play lens, also what sort of season David has at Lille.

 

[Sapient Hawk]

Why everyone assuming goals will be a problem this season? Granted we in a bit of a draught but what comes after draughts? Rain.

Because so far, they've been extremely hard to come by.

 

[The_Playmaker]

Got to get over this obsession with getting wonderkids. When everyone starts our oldest player is Jesus who is 26. We have lowered the age by bringing in Rice and Havertz. An older head up front is not a bad thing.

 

[Macho]

Too soon for Ferguson, with Brighton even holding him back and protecting him because they know how it can get.

He’s not even an automatic starter for them he’s still 18. Welbeck and Pedro are currently higher up the pecking order.

 

[Sapient Hawk]

So you want to go for Ferguson. A young player who has completed 90 minutes of football a handful of times and is already missing games through injury. A young player who is playing under no pressure at Brighton who is literally unproven at every level.

You would pay 150 million for that over 130 for a striker who has been scoring goals consistently in the league and champions league. People were creaming themselves over Jackson. Osimhen is Jackson with 30 goals a season. But you want Ferguson. Smart.

I'd say pragmatism is the key word here.

And seeing as Osimehn has 5-6 years on Ferguson, I believe we'd be more willing to invest a considerable sum on a player who could in all likelihood give us a good decade of service.

 

[Macho]

I'd say pragmatism is the key word here.

And seeing as Osimehn has 5-6 years on Ferguson, I believe we'd be more willing to invest a considerable sum on a player who could in all likelihood give us a good decade of service.

I strongly believe Ferguson is at the right place. At a monster like Arsenal where results come first he might not ever become the player he’s supposed to be.

The day he got that hattrick he only played because Welbeck was unavailable btw, at least let him be a Brighton starter first.

It’s important to point out Welbeck is doing decent for them as well, there is a possibility that their system props their players up a bit.

 

[A_G]

 

[Macho]

Unless we get a refund on Havertz or send him to Brentford I’m not sure this happens for 80m

 

[AberGooner]

The 80m fee makes good headlines but Brentford where going into the summer demanding 40m for Raya or no sale and we saw what happened there. Can't blame them for asking for it at all but more likely he goes for a lot less.

 

[drippin]

The 80m fee makes good headlines but Brentford where going into the summer demanding 40m for Raya or no sale and we saw what happened there. Can't blame them for asking for it at all but more likely he goes for a lot less.

Toney has 1,5 years in contract though, not 1 year only like Raya. Trossard also had 1,5 years left but he had a falling out with the club and manager, so they had to sell him in January.

Toney is different in this sense, plus Chelsea need a striker, so there is kind of a bidding war if Toney is okay joining them, and they do those big contracts. My assumption would be 65-70 million pounds. Otherwise they can keep him and still sell for good money in the summer in these markets.

It will also depend a lot on if Brentford are in threat of relegation in January.