"i've not been able to play my first 11 since 2004&quot

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by sabret00the, May 12, 2007.

  1. Fallen_Angel

    Fallen_Angel New Member

    Re: "i've not been able to play my first 11 since 2004&


    Riiiight.

    Well, the 2nd paragraph is true.

    But we could have easily had the first 11 this season.

    Shame about RVP and Henry though.
     
  2. number_0

    number_0 Member

    well i think the most important thing is keep the team stable, if you look at a certain team, that havent won the league in five years, they sold their best player and havent replaced him, yet they were on top of the table since september.
     
  3. Biggus

    Biggus New Member Elite

    Part of Wengers job is to prepare for injuries & suspensions, its not as if they're not unforeseen. He has tried to build depth and what do we have? Bappytits and Alia-dire :roll: oh and some young players- but he's sent them out on loan....
    Best depth in the premiership huh.
     
  4. qs

    qs New Member Elite

    The fact that he got it so completely wrong is why its a famous quote.

    You can't have success every year and building teams to compete takes time, especially with limited finances. United and Chelseas teams both cost unholy amounts that we could never pay. Scheva, Rooney, Drogba, Rio, SWP, even Carrick when have ever spent so much on players. Can we afford to, imagine if Wenger had signed Scheva or Veron you lot would lose the rag completely. You'd probably want him sacked.

    Football isn't as simple as 1,2,3 championship. I hear all this "if we kept Vieira", "shouldn't have broken that team up" etc Who exactly wanted Bergkamp, Pires, Wiltord, Sol, etc to stay. Vieira was ****e the season he left too, a shadow of his former self.

    Take off the rose tinted glasses lads, none of those players left early.
     
  5. Sammer

    Sammer New Member Elite

    Maybe Arsène should have a closer look at his medical department.

    The cumulation of injuries is worrying. The recovery times, too.
     
  6. _scorpion_

    _scorpion_ New Member

    This thread should be called:

    I have not been able to play a team of the same quality as 2004.
     
  7. j'nuh

    j'nuh New Member

    How can you be so short sighted? How was Wenger supposed to expect his 4th and 5th choice strikers were going to play so much this season? By rights Aliadiere shouldnt have got near the first team. Its unfathomable. You cant compensate for it. Unless you want us to sign Eto'o as our 5th choice striker?

    And yes, we do have the best depth in the premiership striker wise. Unless you want to argue that Solskjaer and Dong Fangzouh, and Fowler and Nabil El Zhar are better stike forces than Baptista and Aliadiere, as bad as they have been.

    If Chelsea had the equivalent injuries as us this season, they would often have been playing with the 17 year old Ben Sahar upfront alongside a midfielder because they only have 4 strikers.

    Would anyone have critised Mourinho if that happened? Of course not. Just bad luck. But when it happens to Wenger? Its his fault.
     
  8. number_0

    number_0 Member

    but why does it happen for us only, as soon as a player gets back 2 more get out, and the cyle continues.
    i thought it was something to do with arsenal, but after i saw ljungberg and gilberto get injured for their countries i suspect their are witch doctors involved.
     
  9. Mr. Hotshot

    Mr. Hotshot New Member

    When AW said he hasn't been able to play his best 11; what is he actually trying to say? Is it because he let some of his best players go and couldn't find quality replacements? Or is it because of the injuries? Or is it because of the kids? What? Please clarify to us what he's actually trying to say because people are starting to mumble and talk a lot rubbish in this thread.
     
  10. ronitc

    ronitc New Member

    haven't read this thread but maybe wenger should look inwards towards the players he's buying and our medical staff. it's a farce, and it's not a question of if our players get injured but when.
     
  11. EJub

    EJub New Member Elite

    While we are looking back - is there any reason to believe that Bentley couldn't have contributed just as much as Rosicky this season?

    Nothing against Rosicky, but it would be nice to have a few more English players.
     
  12. asajoseph

    asajoseph New Member Elite

    Thing is, since joining Dortmund, Rosicky has averaged less than 27 league appearances every season - if we find it frustrating that he can't seem to play 3 games in a row, we at least shouldn't be surprised, as he's been like this his whole career.

    If using central midfielders on the wings for most of the season isn't enough of a reason to sign a winger, this has to be.
     
  13. UrbanArts

    UrbanArts New Member

    I agree to some extent but they'res no point in having a policy if we chop and change to suit individuals. Nobodies bigger then the club. If they are committed and good enough, then they should know they will be rewarded with an extension after the year is up. Look at Lehmann for example. If players are willing to leave knowing full well what our policy is and they expect to be given special treatment, then they don't deserve to be at Arsenal.
     
  14. True Gooner

    True Gooner New Member Elite

    No one will 8)
     
  15. YuenBiaoFan

    YuenBiaoFan New Member Trusted

  16. True Gooner

    True Gooner New Member Elite

    Lets be honest, the unbeatables were a class apart. This side cannot come close to them,heck, I cant see any side in the world coming close to the unbeatables.
    However that is not an excuse, we should be right up there with Chelsea and Man Utd challenging for honours, in terms of player quality I think we are almost as good as them.

    Sometimes its more important to bring out the best in players than buy the best players. Wenger knows that.

    Heres what I think we can do to improve -
    1) Sell players that offer nothing to the team and bring in replacements
    eg. Quaresma for Ljungberg to be rotated with Hleb. That way we can get the best of both players. Selling Hleb would again put us behind by a season or so.
    Same would go for a striker that under performs. Obviously Etoo is a rarity but someone like Babel who wont mind being 4th choice (or indeed second fiddle to RVP)

    2) Become a team - Fabregas said sometime along these lines a few weeks ago. They may play pretty football but they dont play together as a unit, to cover each others mistakes

    3) Fans should be a bit more understanding - our team is full of teenagers or players that have been barely around for more than a couple of seasons

    Lehmann - long term member
    Eboue - Started continous 1st team action since Feb 06
    Toure - Long term
    Gallas - Freshman at Arsenal - 1st season
    Clichy - 1st uninterrupted season

    Hleb - 2nd season - in a way Hleb has to step up next season - more than any other player
    Fabregas - 2nd season of uninterrupted apperances - progress - simply Fabulous!
    Gilberto - Long Term
    Rosicky - Freshman

    Henry - Long term
    RVP - 1st/2nd season of first team action

    As you can see 4 players out of 11 players have been a part of our team since 2004 - that is not enough

    Like I said, this summer is important is the team is to become a unit - I dont know what a team does during pre-season but I hope that it brings the players closer together and also brings them to full fitness
     
  17. oba101

    oba101 New Member

    Shocking... :shock:
     
  18. UrbanArts

    UrbanArts New Member

    care to elaborate?? shocking doesn't really explain much
     

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