Jack Wilshere: Where to now?

[FinnGooner]

We need to lose Jack or Rambo because they can't play together and both are injury prone players with way too high wages compared to the amount of games they play. Can't afford to keep too many guys like that in the team and for me Ramsey is the better player so if we keep one of them it's Ramsey. Jack and Welbeck should be out the door.

 

[albakos]

I think Jack has only his ego to blame.
Look at his antics with not being in England NT team. But this is not a precedent.

He developed an entitlement as if Arsenal owes him all.
We were sooooo patient with his injuries and expectations to fill his potential.

The moment we sign another midfielder and he does not get invited at England, he thinks he can sabotage the club, by asking for a stupid loan move to Bournemouth. After ending up there, he cuts a long face, removes any reference to Arsenal, never mentions the club anymore.

When he got back with tail under his leg after a failed loan spell at Bournemouth, he had some bad performances, but then as soon as he starts to have some solid displays around New Year/January, he becomes entitled again and hangs around an offer for a new contract from us. Despite Wenger publicly backing him to sign a new contract he hangs around, thinking it will make the club fold and accept his terms.
When Wenger announced he is leaving, then it was too little too late for Jack as his form was back to bottom again and he was not seen as a vital part of the club anymore.

The fact that he is only linked with the likes of Palace, West Ham, Newcastle tells it all.

He probably thought that if he becomes a Bosman-free, then City, Chelsea, Liverpool and United would fight it out for his signature.

Good bye Jack, shame it didn't work out for you, we offered him maximum support, but he got only himself to blame.

He might still fold and sign the offer on table and we will still support him, but he must cut the **** out, play for the team and not hide it with some irrelevant "pashun antics" on pitch.

 

[<<reed>>]

I think Jack has only his ego to blame.
Look at his antics with not being in England NT team. But this is not a precedent.

He developed an entitlement as if Arsenal owes him all.
We were sooooo patient with his injuries and expectations to fill his potential.

The moment we sign another midfielder and he does not get invited at England, he thinks he can sabotage the club, by asking for a stupid loan move to Bournemouth. After ending up there, he cuts a long face, removes any reference to Arsenal, never mentions the club anymore.

When he got back with tail under his leg after a failed loan spell at Bournemouth, he had some bad performances, but then as soon as he starts to have some solid displays around New Year/January, he becomes entitled again and hangs around an offer for a new contract from us. Despite Wenger publicly backing him to sign a new contract he hangs around, thinking it will make the club fold and accept his terms.
When Wenger announced he is leaving, then it was too little too late for Jack as his form was back to bottom again and he was not seen as a vital part of the club anymore.

The fact that he is only linked with the likes of Palace, West Ham, Newcastle tells it all.

He probably thought that if he becomes a Bosman-free, then City, Chelsea, Liverpool and United would fight it out for his signature.

Good bye Jack, shame it didn't work out for you, we offered him maximum support, but he got only himself to blame.

He might still fold and sign the offer on table and we will still support him, but he must cut the **** out, play for the team and not hide it with some irrelevant "pashun antics" on pitch.

Elite post.
It's obvious that playing 4 games every 2 years for England full of Sp**s players is more important for Jack than representing Arsenal.

 

[Taylor Gang Gunners]

That whole “not the Özil at Madrid” argument is so tired and irrelevant. Can we not move on?

On topic. There’s nothing I’d love more than to see Wilshere commit his future here. But if rumours that he’s demanding parity with certain players are true, I can understand us not bending over.

Like many have mentioned, he owes us more than we owe him. On his day he’s a mercurial talent. But the patience we’ve shown this guy by far outweighs what he’s produced for us on the pitch.

Look at Diaby, he requested we slash his wages while he rehabbed. Not sure Wilshere is quite Diaby level in terms of injury but still- look after those who look after you and all that.

 

[Mrs Bergkamp]

Nobody would ever pay that kind of money for Scrappy Doo, mate.

A club without a Scooby Doo might have .

 

[Batman]

I think Jack has only his ego to blame.
Look at his antics with not being in England NT team. But this is not a precedent.

He developed an entitlement as if Arsenal owes him all.
We were sooooo patient with his injuries and expectations to fill his potential.

The moment we sign another midfielder and he does not get invited at England, he thinks he can sabotage the club, by asking for a stupid loan move to Bournemouth. After ending up there, he cuts a long face, removes any reference to Arsenal, never mentions the club anymore.

When he got back with tail under his leg after a failed loan spell at Bournemouth, he had some bad performances, but then as soon as he starts to have some solid displays around New Year/January, he becomes entitled again and hangs around an offer for a new contract from us. Despite Wenger publicly backing him to sign a new contract he hangs around, thinking it will make the club fold and accept his terms.
When Wenger announced he is leaving, then it was too little too late for Jack as his form was back to bottom again and he was not seen as a vital part of the club anymore.

The fact that he is only linked with the likes of Palace, West Ham, Newcastle tells it all.

He probably thought that if he becomes a Bosman-free, then City, Chelsea, Liverpool and United would fight it out for his signature.

Good bye Jack, shame it didn't work out for you, we offered him maximum support, but he got only himself to blame.

He might still fold and sign the offer on table and we will still support him, but he must cut the **** out, play for the team and not hide it with some irrelevant "pashun antics" on pitch.

I like Jack more than many do but this is 1000% right. He's only got himself to blame here. He should have signed the contract when it was offered and been grateful.

 

[albakos]

Maaan, one would hope y'all would stick to the thread, not derail this into another Özil debate. All of such recent posts moved to Özil mega thread.

 

[Tir Na Nog]

It's honestly best for both parties if he finds a new challenge, he had an alright run last season which sort of faded out toward the end. The Atletico games he was honestly just a passenger and actually looked out of his depth. I honestly don't see Emery having much place for him, I don't think he's the profile to play in a pivot or as a number 10 that Emery likes anyways.

It's kinda sad because he was supposed to be Mr.Arsenal and the guy who the team was meant to be built around.

 

[krengon]

The moment we sign another midfielder and he does not get invited at England, he thinks he can sabotage the club, by asking for a stupid loan move to Bournemouth. After ending up there, he cuts a long face, removes any reference to Arsenal, never mentions the club anymore.
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Yeah that loan decision was the stupidest thing Wilshere could have done (especially in hindsight) and all because he panicked because he didn't get called up for England smh..

What's worse is that Cazorla and Ramsey were both crocked that season, we needed him and he would have got plenty of game time here, that 1 point we missed top4 with might have ended differently if he had stayed.

 

[James Bond]

The moment we sign another midfielder and he does not get invited at England, he thinks he can sabotage the club, by asking for a stupid loan move to Bournemouth. After ending up there, he cuts a long face, removes any reference to Arsenal, never mentions the club anymore.

When he got back with tail under his leg after a failed loan spell at Bournemouth, he had some bad performances, but then as soon as he starts to have some solid displays around New Year/January, he becomes entitled again and hangs around an offer for a new contract from us. Despite Wenger publicly backing him to sign a new contract he hangs around, thinking it will make the club fold and accept his terms
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Yeah that loan decision was the stupidest thing Wilshere could have done (especially in hindsight) and all because he panicked because he didn't get called up for England smh..

What's worse is that Cazorla and Ramsey were both crocked that season, we needed him and he would have got plenty of game time here, that 1 point we missed top4 with might have ended differently if he had stayed.

Wilshere's last injury at AFC at the time came from a bad tackle by a fellow Arsenal player, we have a shocking injury record/medical team as our players repeatedly have"set back" after "set back" when out injured (reminder Jack was initially quoted 6-8 weeks...he missed like 7 months), it was clearly a big year for Arsenal/Wenger considering he/the club blew 100m on a spine of Mustafi, Xhaka, and Perez so game time for a player coming back from such a long injury layoff would be very limited given our aspirations as we looked to be pushing upwards.

Jack wanted to get back to fitness, Arsenal/Arsène couldn't guarantee game time, and our medical team is ass, so he went on loan, rehabed, and got loads of minutes at Bournemouth in the PL (close to 30 appearances IIRC). Why does everyone try and rewrite his loan to be something bad/unsuccessful/or selfish!? It wasn't Jack's ****ing fault Santi had some next level complication, Ramsey can't ever stay fit for a whole season himself, or that StatsDNA/Wenger was found out for collecting rubbish like Elneny, Mustafi and Xhaka.

Stop shifting the blame of the failure that season on the one player who wasn't even at the club. The loan was the right choice then and nothing has changed.

 

[albakos]

Wilshere's last injury at AFC at the time came from a bad tackle by a fellow Arsenal player, we have a shocking injury record/medical team as our players repeatedly have"set back" after "set back" when out injured (reminder Jack was initially quoted 6-8 weeks...he missed like 7 months), it was clearly a big year for Arsenal/Wenger considering he/the club blew 100m on a spine of Mustafi, Xhaka, and Perez so game time for a player coming back from such a long injury layoff would be very limited given our aspirations as we looked to be pushing upwards.

Jack wanted to get back to fitness, Arsenal/Arséne couldn't guarantee game time, and our medical team is ass, so he went on loan, rehabed, and got loads of minutes at Bournemouth in the PL (close to 30 appearances IIRC). Why does everyone try and rewrite his loan to be something bad/unsuccessful/or selfish!? It wasn't Jack's ****ing fault Santi had some next level complication, Ramsey can't ever stay fit for a whole season himself, or that StatsDNA/Wenger was found out for collecting rubbish like Elneny, Mustafi and Xhaka.

Stop shifting the blame of the failure that season on the one player who wasn't even at the club. The loan was the right choice then and nothing has changed.

That's not correct. Wilshere himself noted that once Allardyce ignored him for selection and there were new faces in our midfield, he felt that Wenger would not consider him for first XI.

Instead of proving himself to Wenger that he's fit and can get into first XI, he chose the easy option of going out on a loan to a weak club. And he didn't set the world alight on loan either. He didn't score nor had a single assist there.

I don't think we're blaming Wilshere for Arsenal failed 2016/17 season.

What I blame Jack for is his ego, he could've stayed and fought for his place.
Also more recently for ignoring Wenger's plea to sign the new contract. Heck, even in one of his last ever pressers Wenger repeated (and it sounded like begging) that he wants to see Wilshere continue at Arsenal. If that wasn't enough to convince Wilshere, then it's his problem.

There are rumours now that Wilshere will meet Emery next week to discuss and possibly stay, but there will be no emotional aspect in such discussions, as when he had a chance with Wenger. From this position, Wilshere has only hurt his chances and lost any leverage, because his numbers do not support him getting an improved contract.

 

[Sammy1887]

Rumours going around he has a meeting with Unai this week and is ready to sign the deal if is guaranteed playing time.

Pretty much sums up Jack Wilshere for me, he thought clubs would line up for his signature and is now crawling back to us. Imo club should stick to there stance.

 

[Furious]

Guaranteed playing time.

Do one, Scrappy.

 

[Furious]

Stop shifting the blame of the failure that season on the one player who wasn't even at the club. The loan was the right choice then and nothing has changed.

Say what?

Nobody's blaming him for our "failures", as if Scrappy would've made a difference with his one goal and one assist a season.

But he did **** himself over with that decision, that's pretty obvious. He would've played much more than he did this last season in the beginning.

 

[krengon]

Wilshere's last injury at AFC at the time came from a bad tackle by a fellow Arsenal player, we have a shocking injury record/medical team as our players repeatedly have"set back" after "set back" when out injured (reminder Jack was initially quoted 6-8 weeks...he missed like 7 months), it was clearly a big year for Arsenal/Wenger considering he/the club blew 100m on a spine of Mustafi, Xhaka, and Perez so game time for a player coming back from such a long injury layoff would be very limited given our aspirations as we looked to be pushing upwards.

Jack wanted to get back to fitness, Arsenal/Arséne couldn't guarantee game time, and our medical team is ass, so he went on loan, rehabed, and got loads of minutes at Bournemouth in the PL (close to 30 appearances IIRC). Why does everyone try and rewrite his loan to be something bad/unsuccessful/or selfish!? It wasn't Jack's ****ing fault Santi had some next level complication, Ramsey can't ever stay fit for a whole season himself, or that StatsDNA/Wenger was found out for collecting rubbish like Elneny, Mustafi and Xhaka.

Stop shifting the blame of the failure that season on the one player who wasn't even at the club. The loan was the right choice then and nothing has changed.

But it wasn't his injury record/wanting to prove his fitness that led to the loan, he panicked because he wasn't picked for England, if he had made that squad he wouldn't have looked for a loan at the last minute(this happened near deadline if I remember right).. Instead of backing himself to force his way in Arsenal/Wenger's plans, he chose to go to a club where he was guaranteed playing time because he thought that was his best way back in the England team.

Definitely not blaming him for the failures of that season, that was just speaking in hindsight after knowing everything we now know, maybe he wouldn't have made a difference even if he stayed, who knows, but with the way things turned out Wilshere would have been better off staying here, both for his and our sake.

 

[Garrincha]

Positive news he is meeting Emery whatever way it goes.

The article I read was more about questions over his role & Emerys plans for the team rather than issue around guaranteed playing time.

Maybe turns out he is more a Banega than the other names.

 

[MustOezil]

Jack wanted to get back to fitness, Arsenal/Arséne couldn't guarantee game time, and our medical team is ass, so he went on loan, rehabed, and got loads of minutes at Bournemouth in the PL (close to 30 appearances IIRC). Why does everyone try and rewrite his loan to be something bad/unsuccessful/or selfish!? It wasn't Jack's ****ing fault Santi had some next level complication, Ramsey can't ever stay fit for a whole season himself, or that StatsDNA/Wenger was found out for collecting rubbish like Elneny, Mustafi and Xhaka.

Stop shifting the blame of the failure that season on the one player who wasn't even at the club. The loan was the right choice then and nothing has changed.

It is looked back at with bitterness because the reasonable thing to do is to deny Jack's loan to ensure Arsenal has enough midfielders to cover for injuries. Especially when our CM dons fragile players like Santi and Ramsey, I am sure Jack would have been very useful. We did Wilshere a big favor by letting him go, which eventually cost us the fourth place.

For him now to refuse to sign the deal for so long just sours the relationship between him and Arsenal in my eyes. For someone like him, who has given so little to Arsenal and who has received chance after chance under Wenger, him demanding a higher base pay instead of taking a performance based salary is just greedy.

Talented or not, he is 26 and is not much better than when he was 19. with all the above in mind, I'm ok with a player like this leaving.

 

[field442]

Positive news he is meeting Emery whatever way it goes.

The article I read was more about questions over his role & Emerys plans for the team rather than issue around guaranteed playing time.

Maybe turns out he is more a Banega than the other names.

It said he wants assurances over his role in the team and Emery’s plans for next season. That pretty much reads that he wants to know where he’ll be playing and how often. Hoping Emery tells him he’ll be behind whoever the new signing is, AMN and Adli.

 

[field442]

But it wasn't his injury record/wanting to prove his fitness that led to the loan, he panicked because he wasn't picked for England, if he had made that squad he wouldn't have looked for a loan at the last minute(this happened near deadline if I remember right).. Instead of backing himself to force his way in Arsenal/Wenger's plans, he chose to go to a club where he was guaranteed playing time because he thought that was his best way back in the England team.

This will be why he ends up leaving. Ultimately he cares more about playing for England than anything else. He’ll want to be playing in a deeper role because that’s the only way Southgate picks him and he’ll want to be playing regularly. He’ll get neither of those here.

 

[Rex Stone]

Does anyone think he can still be the player he was?

I’d like to think so but after 2015/16 his performances went off a cliff. He was ok-ish at Bournemouth but the Chelsea game aside this year it’s been a real slog watching him after Christmas.

Him getting dominated by Ostersunds in the home leg was probably the low point of his Arsenal career on the pitch.