Joe Willock: 2019/2020 Performances

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by Vinci, Aug 9, 2019.

  1. Trilly

    Trilly The John Sauce Of Ilford

    A season not being bad doesn’t make it good wtf?
     
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  2. Trilly

    Trilly The John Sauce Of Ilford

    A game winning goal doesn’t make a season good so I’m not sure why you’re bringing that up.
     
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  3. MikelHadADream

    MikelHadADream Well-Known Member

    Maybe not, but contributing open play goals and assists season after season does.
     
  4. Hunta

    Hunta Shivering Right Now Trusted

    All the coaches he’s had here seem determined to turn him into some sort of Dele Alli player, number 10/second striker. He looked much better in his earlier appearances deeper in midfield, he’s not good enough with his back to goal to play higher up IMO.
     
  5. hydrofluoric acid

    hydrofluoric acid Dishonest To His Federation

    I think it because of his nose for goals. He seems to sniff them out similar to what Ramsey could sometimes do.

    His hustle deeper in midfield is also ability he showed at u23 level but is maybe yet to fully transform at the senior level. Why many on here want him deeper. Will be interesting to see what happens to him!
     
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  6. Trilly

    Trilly The John Sauce Of Ilford

    He’s averaged like 4 goals 4 assists per season in the league since the breakout season man and we both know you could say he’s played an attacking role for most of that time.

    If he did that while playing both sides of the game effectively (like he did in 13/14) then I’d respect those numbers.
     
  7. Riou

    Riou Non-Stop Nostalgia

    I think Ramsey played well overall in the season's I listed as good, I don't just think they good because they weren't bad.

    Not saying he was Vieira or anything, but Ramsey was very good for us.
     
  8. lomekian

    lomekian Well-Known Member

    I love Arteta and Mertesacker, but arguing that would be just wrong. Adams remains the best Arsenal captain since Frank McClintock, and much longer lasting and successful and Vieira was just so awesome he inspired the whole team just having him there, and he had everyone's total respect.

    Mertesacker was a great squad leader, but not a good enough player to be as galvanising, and Arteta was a great tactical leader, but not an inspirational one.
     
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  9. Geofranco

    Geofranco Well-Known Member

    Ramsey was def not good in 12/13. He ended the season decently, but was poor for majority of it.

    His form to end that season carried on into the 13/14 season, which was by far his best season here.

    He was real good, but ended up getting a long-term injury that kept him out like 4 months of the season.

    He was back to mediocrity in 14/15 and was horrendous for the 15/16 season, but the whole team was terrible in the second half of that season (especially Ramsey, Flamini, Walcott, Chamberlain and Alexis Sanchez).

    He was once again inconsistent in the 16/17 season, but came back in much better form for the 17/18 season. His last season here was decent, he had some good performances.

    He was always capable of scoring spectacular goals or being a game changer, but he was very inconsistent, injury prone and frustrating player to watch. He was in that class with Walcott and Giroud as enigmas.

    You watch their highlights and you'd think they were world class players with some of their goals, but actually watching them every game, you'd see so many flaws.
     
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  10. Big Poppa

    Big Poppa Well-Known Member Trusted

    His ability to break up attacks and diverse passing range is something we so desperately need further back too. Would love to see him more involved in build up play.
     
  11. GoonerJay24

    GoonerJay24 Well-Known Member

    For me Arteta was one of the most inspirational leaders ever in premier League history when you consider Arsenals state when he arrived after Cesc and Nasri had departed.
     
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  12. Impact

    Impact Well-Known Member

    We will see the best of Willock when we move to a 4-3-3 and give him one of the interior roles.
     
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  13. Coolin

    Coolin Doesn't appreciate the mighty Nacho

    Ramsey was s**t . Always taking five touches when one would do. Yes he had a good engine, but he was poor defensively and easily by-passed in midfield. People say he had good movement, but he was equally just as bad in front of goal.

    Joe Willock will go on to have a decent career further down the divisions. He’s okay on the ball, but far from a wonderkid.
     
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  14. Big Poppa

    Big Poppa Well-Known Member Trusted

    Lower divisions :lol:

    We don’t need him to be a wonderkid. It’s a bit of a superfluous term anyway that comes from media hype.

    He’s a 20 year old in his debut season that’s been dropped in randomly. He’s still rough around the edges but while yet to grow into his body is already physically ready for Premier League football.
     
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  15. nick gould

    nick gould Well-Known Member

    Loved his driving runs with the ball. I think he should get involved more.
     
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  16. MutableEarth

    MutableEarth Bloody awesome NSFW avatars Trusted

    Yeah, it's a big issue with him IMO, but it was better today.

    I thought he was alright, did well in the 1st half. Got a lot to do to put his game together, but he was alright.
     
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  17. Riou

    Riou Non-Stop Nostalgia

    Should really be given a run in CM alongside Xhaka if we play a 2, or in a 3 with Granit and Saka, gives us something we don't have otherwise (well, Joe or Niles).

    Think Dani's goal will tempt Arteta to start him again sadly.
     
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  18. MutableEarth

    MutableEarth Bloody awesome NSFW avatars Trusted

    It's funny because I was slandering Ceballos right before he scored - he had really not had much impact up to that point. But I also think that goal earned him reprieve with Arteta so will be interesting to see the lineup on Wednesday.
     
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  19. Aevi

    Aevi Hale End FC Moderator

    Quietly putting in some very solid performances, his output doesn't lie. I love how he's got a bit of robustness and strength in his game.

    It's interesting to see him doing well on the wing given many of us would like to see him deeper. It's especially notable that he got subbed on there in front of Nelson, seems Arteta is a fan of his.
     
  20. MutableEarth

    MutableEarth Bloody awesome NSFW avatars Trusted

    2 goal contributions in his last 3 matches. Could have scored aswell. Don't think people realise what a talent Willock is and the upside he has. He's a nuisance for other teams - competitive, strong, dribbles past players, is generally a more vertical player than our other midfielders. He just needs to bring his game together a little but once he does, he'll be a problem. People have slept on Willock a lot and now he's starting to positively impact matches.

    He's more competitive than Nelson at the moment - Nelson is just lagging a bit behind the others, so he's gonna have to work extra hard to get his minutes.
     

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