Joe Willock: Not Your Average Joe

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by Marjorie, Aug 18, 2020.

  1. Marjorie

    Marjorie Thread Monopolizer

  2. MutableEarth

    MutableEarth Bloody awesome NSFW avatars Trusted

    Another underrated player, I didn't like how he was used this season in this pressing #10 role they have him in. He's much better in deeper areas and someone with his competitiveness in duels, ability to carry the ball from deep and middle 3rd passing should be a contender for one of the CM spots.

    I think a loan would be a good move for him. He needs more regular starts in the engine room and he could better flesh out his game in that scenario. Next season will be very interesting for him.
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  3. hydrofluoric acid

    hydrofluoric acid Many Men Wish Death Upon Me

    Ready to blow out IMO. Unreal unreal talent!
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  4. Macho

    Macho Established Member Trusted

    Underrated and used too sparingly. Also think loan would be best.
  5. Pyres7

    Pyres7 Well-Known Member

    He's talented but I don't know what his best role is. If he's playing as a number 10 he needs to have more of an impact in the final third. Whenever he got subbed on last season he was tidy but he wasn't much of a threat.

    If he's playing as a CM he needs to get a bit better defensively, and build up more upper body strength. He'd also do well to extend his passing range and go for longer passes like Ceballos started doing post lock-down.

    I agree that a loan would be good for him right now.
  6. roz

    roz Fake News Merchant

    Dont see it with Willock. Prove me wrong Joe!
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  7. Manberg

    Manberg Predator

    Is it just me or was Willock playing as a #9 when he came on as a sub in the community shield?
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  8. Mitch

    Mitch Bellerin Upgrade Advocate

    Willock is the goal scoring box to box cm that Wenger so desperately wanted but the likes of Baptista, Ramsey and Diaby just werent up to required standard.
  9. MutableEarth

    MutableEarth Bloody awesome NSFW avatars Trusted

    Not really - hes Artetas utility man in attack these days so if he needs someone to run, dribble and cause chaos he brings him in on the wing or upfront. Not an ideal use of him IMO but he at least was good when he came on. I'm intrigued to see how they use him this season.
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  10. Big Poppa

    Big Poppa Well-Known Member Trusted

    With Joe’s attributes I think a massive opportunity is being missed by not using him in a more defensive role. The utility attacking role is better suited to a creative dribbler like Willian in my opinion.
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  11. Trilly

    Trilly The John Sauce Of Ilford Trusted

    Only problem with that is that he seems to miss quite a bit.

    He’s got a great knack for getting into the position but needs to improve some of his other midfield attributes. He gives me slow burner vibes.
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  12. Ash10

    Ash10 Jury Lite

    Another one that people seem to rate only because of being from the academy. Runs around, misses sitters & does fvck all
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  13. MutableEarth

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    In absolute agreement. He's scored a few goals but he was never a consistently good finisher in the youth teams and his shooting has become marginally better but not enough to justify giving him an offensive role. I can see the appeal of playing him there because of his body strength and dribbling ability, as well as his competitiveness in duels and late runs into the box, but I think these would all be far more useful in deeper areas, especially as I think he's not the most secure passer in the final 3rd IMO, his style of passing is much better suited to deeper areas where he can pass into space. It's a little jarring but his lack of refinement as a prospect makes this somewhat understandable that they're using him this way.
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  14. kash2

    kash2 Obsessed With Jury

    Wenger did that with other players. Just teach them to pass the ball into goal. It comes more naturally to them. His positioning, power, pace and knack for getting on the end of chances are already great attributes.
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  15. yousif_arsenal

    yousif_arsenal King of Twitter Rumours Moderator

    I think this season he'll be even better just need to sort out his decision making front of goal. Everything else he do is good running with ball passing movements is improving each game
  16. Impact

    Impact Well-Known Member

    Reminds me of Moussa Dembele — at first people assumed he had to be a player in a final third position because of his adept dribbling, but he was a bit blunt in terms of the final pass/shot. It was only when someone realised that the ability to progress play to the final third through dribbling/ball carrying was invaluable that his career was made. Think the same will be the case for Willock.
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  17. MutableEarth

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    He's perfect for that role if they develop him correctly. He can still make late runs into the box from there - football isn't a static game - but it's a better fit for his skillset.
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  18. Furious

    Furious Emery Gone, Telly Back On

    Dembele was an incredible dribbler though. Don't think Willock is anywhere as accomplished.

    But yeah further back would clearly be his ideal position. Though that shouldn't excuse poor form/performances - as we have seen with AMN and Saka as long as they play in this early stage they should make the best out of it.
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  19. DasBootist

    DasBootist Well-Known Member

    Willock and Nelson need to show more this season, but they are both big talents. Try showing some patience ffs

    EDIT: look at how AMN is performing atm. Willock and Nelson are both capable of producing similar performances imvho
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  20. MutableEarth

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    Willock's best quality IMO is his dribbling, particularly in deeper areas when he's been able to carry the ball through the middle 3rd.
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