Joe Willock: Not Your Average Joe

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by Marjorie, Aug 18, 2020.

  1. CountChocula

    CountChocula New Member

    Decent performance today. Willock had a couple of nice slides into the box to set up Pepe on the overlap that he should've blasted into back of the net RVP-style, but oh well
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2020
  2. kash2

    kash2 Obsessed With Jury

    well played Joe. Outshone Ceballos and showed some nice touches and physical presence and speed.
  3. Tir Na Nog

    Tir Na Nog In Big Trouble If He Speaks

    Ali Bomaye! Ali Bomaye!
    Got a chopper and a bottle **** it let 'em spray
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  4. Impact

    Impact Well-Known Member

    I liked how Willock aided our pressing game. Physically he has such a high ceiling.

    I would have liked to see him get on the ball a bit more in the build up. He left Elneny isolated at times.
    Last edited: Sep 25, 2020
  5. AbouCuéllar

    AbouCuéllar Well-Known Member

    Needs a loan. He probably prefers to be Arteta's jack of all trades--which I think he's useful as, I'd like to see him used as a wing back who slides in centrally as Arteta uses Bellerín and AMN and Saka often--than to go on loan to a Championship side, but if he wants to develop into a decent midfielder he really needs to be working on his midfield play playing every week, right now he is either not confident enough to receive and play in the middle with regularity or is being hidden by Arteta (yesterday yelled at him to move higher when he dropped deep to receive, so I imagine there's some of that) much like with Torreira under Emery.

    Not really fussed either way, probably has squad player level potential and if Azeez, Patino, and Bandeira develop well they should all surpass him.
    Last edited: Sep 24, 2020
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  6. boonthegoon

    boonthegoon Well-Known Member

    badly needs a loan
    but if we aren't getting A&P, he just has to stay for the count.
  7. Big Poppa

    Big Poppa Well-Known Member Trusted

    Who on earth aspires to be a jack of all trades?

    He’s a CM - the only reason you ever see him in those random utility roles is because like Ainsley, he has a lot of tools and Arteta prefers ball retention merchants in the middle.

    The quality in the defensive phase is slept on here I feel. He has incredible recovery capacity, strength on the ball and decent vision too.

    Much like Ainsley his demeanour can look casual and he can be inconsistent but the lad’s got an incredible ceiling.
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  8. Big Poppa

    Big Poppa Well-Known Member Trusted

    Passing and tackling with either foot. This is what I mean about tools. First touch, close control and press resistance.
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  9. Mitch

    Mitch Bellerin Upgrade Advocate

    I was impressed with him the other night again. Becoming more and more of an intelligent footballer every time I've seen him play.
  10. AbouCuéllar

    AbouCuéllar Well-Known Member

    Eh, let's not underestimate the question of ball retention with phrases like ball retention merchant, it's an important job of a midfielder. Arteta doesn't play him centrally too often because he doesn't really have high level skills for a midfielder...I don't think Arteta wants 'ball retention merchants', but rather good midfielders. Willock is not there yet, and might never get there.

    Really? I think that's clearly his strong point atm, hence why Arteta often uses him late in games to defend from the front whether as a false 9 or a false winger/interior. Hence why I like the idea of him as an interior wing back too.

    No one, I said I think he'd prefer to stay here and be that than go on loan to a championship club, but I think for his development a championship club where he will see the ball in midfield and develop his midfield play would be best.
    He's got some good qualities but there are loads of footballers who have as good or more interesting skills and are more advanced at his age. He's very much a project, think a mid-table premier club career is a more likely outcome for him than making it at a big club.
  11. akhil

    akhil Well-Known Member

    He'll bench Xhaka or Ceballos if given 2-3 months of consistent game time, I doubt he'll get that here unless there's an couple of serious injuries.
  12. akhil

    akhil Well-Known Member

    @AbouCuéllar What does he seem to lacking in so glaringly to be a good CM? I don't see any obvious weaknesses in his game but currently no elite traits either, a lot of areas he's good at but nothing elite.
  13. AbouCuéllar

    AbouCuéllar Well-Known Member

    His weaknesses to me would be:
    -lack of confidence/ability to receive the ball consistently in the middle and progress play (this is a big one), unless no pressure
    -lack of passing range
    -poor decision making in the final third (this we see more in meaningful games with the first team, where his composure and decision making when he gets in some space has let him down--in cup games where there's less pressure he looks better in this aspect)
  14. Big Poppa

    Big Poppa Well-Known Member Trusted

    Meh, I think we’ll have to agree to disagree especially on this part.
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  15. GoonerJeeves

    GoonerJeeves Up The Terriers Trusted

    A loan to Huddersfield would be a sensible thing.
  16. akhil

    akhil Well-Known Member

    All of the stuff you've mentioned basically revolves around playing in a double pivot and he's barely played in the double pivot in the last 12 months or so. He's being playing as a pseudo 10 which he's not very good at for sure.
    Most of it boils down to minutes and confidence in his position for me. His short passing is as good an any midfielder we have.
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  17. Mitch

    Mitch Bellerin Upgrade Advocate

    He's effectively Ramsey with a footballing brain.
  18. Big Poppa

    Big Poppa Well-Known Member Trusted

    I started with the parts where you hit the nail on the head and finished by selecting the entire post.
  19. Trilly

    Trilly The John Sauce Of Ilford Trusted

    I was really hoping that was the music for this video. Mad upset now. Will have to play it in the background.
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  20. Tir Na Nog

    Tir Na Nog In Big Trouble If He Speaks

    If I had the patience to make a comp I'd definitely add it.
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