Joe Willock: Not Your Average Joe

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by Marjorie, Aug 18, 2020.

  1. Football Manager

    Football Manager Copy & Paste Merchant

    Willock is shxt. He has weaknesses in every part of his game. Bench Xhaka or ceballos? You must be joking right?

    Low football IQ, poor decision making, poor game reading, no long pass, no killer pass, not skillful, poor ball control in tight space, poor teamwork, poor positioning, poor tactical awareness, no dictate tempo......Just compare him with iniesta/xavi/busquets, does willock plays like any of them? No.

    I see much more talent in Matt Smith than willock.
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2020
  2. akhil

    akhil Well-Known Member

    You seem to talk in cliches like some tiki taka spam bot from 10 years ago. Are those 3 CMs the only players you've ever watched? PV4 would've been some brainless clogger according to you.

    He wouldn't be a frequent option off the bench for 3 different managers if he's as poor as you make him out to be. Hell, Wenger promoted him straight from the U18s to first team skipping the U23s and he's been trusted by Emery and Arteta as well.
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  3. Geofranco

    Geofranco Well-Known Member

    I think his physical traits are pretty elite. He is tall, pretty powerful even with his wiry frame. He has good speed and agility for a midfielder too. He has an engine.

    I think the biggest obstacle for him the mental phase of the game. Not the physical or technical. He is not spectacular on a technical level, but he is pretty competent.

    He even showed a good range of passing in the 19/20 pre-season, but obviously not the same level of pressure as real competition.

    I think he is a solid prospect, but needs to improve his decision-making, composure and learn to have a sustained impact on games.

    All these things are not guaranteed to improve, that's why some players just become midtable level talent or squad options.

    Think if we don't see much improvement by next season, we should start looking to sell as other young midfielders with a lot of talent are on the horizon.
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  4. Football Manager

    Football Manager Copy & Paste Merchant

    Iniesta, Xavi and Busquets are not the only 3 midfielders I’ve watched.

    There are also Fabregas, Nasri, Cazorla, Kaka, Pirlo, Seedorf, Thiago, Coutinho, Goretzka, Kroos, Alonso, Modric, Isco, Eriksen, Scholes, Carrick, Zidane, Silva, KDB, Fernandinho......
    Last edited: Sep 27, 2020
  5. The_Playmaker

    The_Playmaker Established Member Trusted

    He has a long pass
    He has a killer pass
    He is skilfull
    He is good in tight spaces
    He has a long shot
    He has excellent timing of runs when arriving in the box

    The problem is he isn't consistent and he hasn't put it together yet. However, that is not a reason to sell him.

    He is very similar to Ramsey, but has a few different traits. He is physically more imposing, carries the ball better but is less smooth receiving it. He receives the ball like a winger but central which needs to be changed.

    Football players mature at different ages. It's very rare that you have a complete midfielder at 21. Think about Ramsey at the same age. Couldn't finish, erratic in front of goal, poor decision making, low impact defensively. In 5 years all of those attributes turned into elite attributes.
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  6. Football Manager

    Football Manager Copy & Paste Merchant

    ramsey was shxt, a huge liability in our general play. Take away his goals and he will be the worst ever player in the PL.
  7. Geofranco

    Geofranco Well-Known Member

    I partially agree with you on this one, although I won't say worst ever EPL player lol.

    Ramsey looked pretty good as a prospect before the Shawcross injury, but afterwards, his technique went to ****.

    He had an amazing season in 13/14, looked like a complete midfielder, but after scoring all those goals he became obsessed with being a goal scoring midfielder.

    It led to him neglecting the other aspects of his game. The injuries never helped either, def affected his development like it did with Wilshere, Walcott, Chamberlain and Diaby.
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  8. dashsnow17

    dashsnow17 Established Member

    I don't see it tbh, but i'm happy to be proved wrong.
  9. AbouCuéllar

    AbouCuéllar Well-Known Member

    Arteta reminding us again that he doesn't trust Willock's midfield play, choosing to play Saka as the most advanced central midfielder in possession before him. Willock is destined to be a squad player here, IMO, club doesn't rate him in any single position enough to prioritise his development there with a loan, and Arteta likes to use his tools as a jack-of-all-trades, while hiding his weaknesses (not playing him in midfield or when he does, keeping him higher on the pitch to hide him a bit in possession).
  10. yousif_arsenal

    yousif_arsenal King of Twitter Rumours Moderator

    Not sure what to think about him he talented but he not ready to make big step to be starter he backup
  11. American_Gooner

    American_Gooner Not actually American. Unless Di Marzio says so. Moderator

    Feel sorry for him always having to play a role or position he's unfamiliar with.
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  12. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Dissociating

    Most footballers play out of position.
  13. Mrs Bergkamp

    Mrs Bergkamp Established Member Trusted

    Largely anonymous and looks better centrally. His was the worst penalty but the reaction afterwards was :lol:. Not sure about him long term atm
  14. American_Gooner

    American_Gooner Not actually American. Unless Di Marzio says so. Moderator

    @OnlyOne come get your boy pls
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  15. Vibra

    Vibra Well-Known Member

    Could do with a trip to Germany
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  16. Red London

    Red London Anti-Simp Culture Trusted

    Loan him to a side so he can play as a box to box player please ffs. If we sign Aouar and keep one of ESR/Nelson we wont be needing Willock and I think we ar stunting his growth tbh.
  17. Big Poppa

    Big Poppa Well-Known Member Trusted

    He trusted him there against Leicester away. I think you are reading too much into it. He’s just a versatile footballer who Arteta uses in different ways depending on the opposition.
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  18. Big Poppa

    Big Poppa Well-Known Member Trusted

    Me too.
  19. Makavelii

    Makavelii Well-Known Member

    What’s his natural position?
    I don’t rate him as a central midfielder at all.
  20. Macho

    Macho Not Here For The Athletic's BS Trusted

    He looked great in a pre season a few years ago, he was in central midfield.

    I don’t really see it myself though tbh. Just like the majority of our academy players.

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