Emm, no he's not. He was winning the ball for us far less than Ceballos, even that cripple Xhaka who can barely move can win the ball more often. If you mean jogging around our own half by defensive work, then yeah, but interceptions, tackles, and headers, he is complete poverty.
Well I meant compared to his attacking game.
I said he is average player.
He is definitely below average in every aspect of the game, but yeah, compared to his attacking game, his defensive side feels like we have MakeleleWell I meant compared to his attacking game.
Your understanding of football isn't great nor realistic. How is Elnenys movement and awareness average? The attacking progressiveness cannot always come through the middle.Is it that hard to understand? Because we can't have so limited and average players starting EPL games at all. We need progressive capabilities from every midfielder.
Elneny 3rd backup.What the hell am I reading. Our views are so far apart that it's seems of no use to continue this discussion.
So you'd be fine with Partey, Xhaka, Sambi, Willock, Elneny and Azeez this season for example? 10th place here we come again unless some miracles happen and Partey is fit all season.
It's average because he does next to nothing to actually affect the attack consistently. Every now and then he'll hit a decent forward pass but he does that once every 3 appearances. His movement is simply to just be able to receive the ball and then pass it to someone else. Even then, he rarely receives any progressive passes so his movement is literally only basic and facilitatory in nature rather than progressive.
"Top class" we can get is like Neves who will cost more than double than Xhaka and is not that much better. We can likely for example get Aouar almost for that price we save there. We can't even get 20 million for Xhaka like you suggest.
Cultural bias/racism! I knew it.
Been working on his shooting tbf.He is definitely below average in every aspect of the game, but yeah, compared to his attacking game, his defensive side feels like we have Makelele
He's a very safe option. With the right partner to make up for his weaknesses his value as a squad player goes up a lot.
That depends how you view affecting attacks? In this case I refer to whenever the teams in possession, whether that's Leno or Aubamayang. I'm not speaking about his passing ability but awareness to position himself correctly to facilitate build up phases. If you rewatch parts of our match against Liverpool in last seasons community shield for instance, you should see how Mo's movement and scanning helped create overloads in the wide areas for Saka, Auba and Niles to exploit.
Where the f*ck did this cultural bias/racism nonsense come from? Please point out in any of Mutable's post hinting that unless you're being sarcastic. Sorry f*cking excuse to label that because he doesn't rate him.
Nah not having this, I know countless of Egyptian mates from Uni who don't rate him and still are baffled as to how he ever made it to Arsenal. No one is saying he's a poor Championship standard player, we're saying he's not a top 8 PL player. That cultural bias/racism stick is nonsense, he's an average footballer and I would say the same about Holding, Ceballos etc. regardless of their background.
If you read our discussion here today, you understand easily that I was being sarcastic.
Elneny is a hard worker and a good character but he's not good enough and is up to scratch a very small percentage of time. He shows for the ball and safely passes it on. That may be ball retention but it's a road to nowhere. There are only so many times the ball needs to be recycled. He's redundant and it's a myth that no youth player could provide what he does. The lack of rating has nothing to do with his nationality and everything to do with the fact that I find him insufficient. I have similar feelings towards Cedric, Mari, pre Xmas Pepe, Laca, Holding and Leno to name just a few. There are players who do just enough,often enough but over the season cost more than you may realise.
Lets doscuss in Elneny thread then..
