Joe Willock: The True Joerdie

Mrs Bergkamp

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Yeah, that's why I keep going on about getting 5-8m for Elneny, and combining with sales of Torreira and Guendouzi to fund a CM, with Willock coming back also. There are multiple ways of doing things, but I get the underlying problem is concerns over Arteta's approach if he stays, as detrimental to certain players.
Agree. You move the dross on for whatever you can get and see what's left. Tell the player on the last day of the season that they won't be registered for the next. The WC is next year so it's a great opportunity to be ruthless. If Arteta stays, then we replace Edu and make sure that person is very involved in team selection and tactics. Arteta's lack of experience and ego can't be allowed to kill this and the next generation of potential. If Arteta doesn't like this change, then he can resign. Rangnick could probably do the job of both anyway
 

grange

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Willock got his run here and everybody said he wasn't good enough for us. Using hindsight to say it was a mistake to loan him out is ludicrous.
 

Iceman10

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Willock got his run here and everybody said he wasn't good enough for us. Using hindsight to say it was a mistake to loan him out is ludicrous.
How do you know it was everybody? Do you save comments for everyone on this site? Mutable didn't feel that way, and others also. I know there are some loud peacocking BS artists who grab all the attention on this site, but they do not represent everyone.
 

Macho

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Willock got his run here and everybody said he wasn't good enough for us. Using hindsight to say it was a mistake to loan him out is ludicrous.
Not everybody, you’d know if you actually read this thread.

Another Arteta boot licker calling everyone bad out of desperation when the actual *** is the manager, typical.
 

grange

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How do you know it was everybody? Do you save comments for everyone on this site? Mutable didn't feel that way, and others also. I know there are some loud peacocking BS artists who grab all the attention on this site, but they do not represent everyone.

By reading through this very thread..

@MutableEarth, @Mitch, and @GDeep™ all said he was good before November 2020. Read the thread from page 11/12 onward.
 

Tir Na Nog

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Willock got his run here and everybody said he wasn't good enough for us. Using hindsight to say it was a mistake to loan him out is ludicrous.

He got a run at false 9, a pressing 10 and out wide, he never once got a run in his position. I never once wrote him, along with others who were clamouring for him to be given a proper chance in his position.
 

Macho

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Except I like Willock but he wasn't ready to play week in and week out here.
I don’t think he is either, but with the way this season went and the options ahead of him I don’t see why he didn’t get a run.

I misread your post anyways - we largely agree.
 

GoonerJay24

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Could a 3 in midfield work, perhaps with someone like Auoar`s ability left of centre, so say something like

---------------- Partey --------------

--- Willock ------------- Aouar -----

Does that give a good mix of technical ability, physical ability & off the ball running?
Looks fairly balanced but, I think Smith-Rowe should be in there. Also hold reservations on Partey being the deepest midfielder.
 

Mrs Bergkamp

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Looks fairly balanced but, I think Smith-Rowe should be in there. Also hold reservations on Partey being the deepest midfielder.
Agree with you and if you add Nelson, Pepe and Guendouzi, isn't that a midfield that gives you some sort if hope and options. Partey as the deepest isn't a problem if the other two show for the ball and are able to retain it. Partey also has a good through ball. There's reason to be hopeful with these players.
 

GoonerJay24

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Agree with you and if you add Nelson, Pepe and Guendouzi, isn't that a midfield that gives you some sort if hope and options. Partey as the deepest isn't a problem if the other two show for the ball and are able to retain it. Partey also has a good through ball. There's reason to be hopeful with these players.
As I've said all season we've got quality players but Coneboy Mike is stifling the talent here.

Partey's capable of playing as the deepest midfielder; it's just I prefer him being more box to box. A player like Bissouma or Paulhinha from Sporting Lisbon would be his perfect partner. Although a 433 does provide more fluidity and passing lanes; so long as the coach is competent and able to instruct properly!
 

Mrs Bergkamp

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As I've said all season we've got quality players but Coneboy Mike is stifling the talent here.

Partey's capable of playing as the deepest midfielder; it's just I prefer him being more box to box. A player like Bissouma or Paulhinha from Sporting Lisbon would be his perfect partner. Although a 433 does provide more fluidity and passing lanes; so long as the coach is competent and able to instruct properly!
A 433 is definitely needed and players with good pace and technique installed. We need numbers in midfield. We've been outnumbered all season. The 4231 with poor and scared players and a poor manager hasn't worked
 

kash2

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Well, it does seem that Ødegaard and Ceballos and maybe Elneny will be out ...and that opens up space for AMN and Willock to come in. Xhaka, Partey, AMN, Willock, Smith Rowe and maybe a new #10 would be the midfield squad, with Saka, and Elneny possible also able to slot in.

I really want to see Saka at #10. I feel he is wasted on the wing.
 

RunTheTrap

In midfield with Cellabos
Kroos maybe?

I wouldn’t call Kane athletic either. Cazorla? David Silva? Idk.
Nah. Kroos has a great engine and deceptively strong. Very very hard to push him off the ball. Kane can’t run but he’s strong. Peak Cazorla was pacey enough to play out wide. I would say he was very agile and had a good acceleration.
 

Big Poppa

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Agree. You move the dross on for whatever you can get and see what's left. Tell the player on the last day of the season that they won't be registered for the next. The WC is next year so it's a great opportunity to be ruthless. If Arteta stays, then we replace Edu and make sure that person is very involved in team selection and tactics. Arteta's lack of experience and ego can't be allowed to kill this and the next generation of potential. If Arteta doesn't like this change, then he can resign. Rangnick could probably do the job of both anyway
I understand the sentiment here but can’t think of any self respecting coach who’d agree to this. If we don’t trust him to pick the team and make tactical decisions we should replace him with someone we do.
 

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