Kai Havertz: Hav Some Of That

[OnlyOne]

No one is doing as poorly as havertz. Not even vieira

Szboz is just a Hungarian Kai. He's doing nothing in Liverpool.

 

[2Smokeyy]

Or the current regime. I assume you mean Edu and Arteta right?

Let me pick your brain for a second...

Xhaka's notable improvements over the last two seasons, 21/22 and 22/23, when it wasnt an argument on AM anymore. Who would you credit for that turnaround in particular?

Bro I’m not sure what you’re expecting from me. I’ve praised Arteta for it previously however let’s not get it twisted, it’s not like it was a revolutionary thing that Arteta done with Xhaka as he’s played further forward for Switzerland previously. He was also a pretty good player just misused and under appreciated by our fanbase. There was a whole summer I was debating with a few on here about his influence on our team vs Partey.

Regarding his position, Arsène said this back in 2016:


The issue was had we utilised Xhaka in that role, who would have played the 6 back then? Coquelin? Elneny? Credit where it’s due for him utilising his strengths but even prior to that I didn’t really have that much of an issue with Xhaka, it was more his brainfart moments more than anything. Some were getting onto him a bit too much I felt.

 

[OnlyOne]

Bro I’m not sure what you’re expecting from me. I’ve praised Arteta for it previously however let’s not get it twisted, it’s not like it was a revolutionary thing that Arteta done with Xhaka as he’s played further forward for Switzerland previously. He was also a pretty good player just misused and under appreciated by our fanbase. There was a whole summer I was debating with a few on here about his influence on our team vs Partey.

Regarding his position, Arsène said this back in 2016:

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The issue was had we utilised Xhaka in that role, who would have played the 6 back then? Coquelin? Elneny? Credit where it’s due for him utilising his strengths but even prior to that I didn’t really have that much of an issue with Xhaka, it was more his brainfart moments more than anything. Some were getting onto him a bit too much I felt.

I don’t like the revisionism on Xhaka, he had two very good years at Arsenal but I’m afraid everything before that was crap. Never seen a player with so many ‘brain farts’ in a top 6 side, on par with Mustafi who also played for Arsenal.

 

[GoonerJeeves]

I don’t like the revisionism on Xhaka, he had two very good years at Arsenal but I’m afraid everything before that was crap. Never seen a player with so many ‘brain farts’ in a top 6 side, on par with Mustafi who also played for Arsenal.

AM, and a scantily clad OnlyOne (nice beard btw)

 

[2Smokeyy]

I don’t like the revisionism on Xhaka, he had two very good years at Arsenal but I’m afraid everything before that was crap. Never seen a player with so many ‘brain farts’ in a top 6 side, on par with Mustafi who also played for Arsenal.

Tell me you didn’t read my post without telling me you didn’t read it. People seem to just love to overlook what was right in their faces and rate players on G/A:


It was more a position issue than anything with Xhaka. Nothing like Kai Havertz who is a useless and has been tossed around like a spliff in every single position so far.

 

[Paperino]

The absurd amount of sympathy the Assna fans give Havertz must make Xhaka furious if you consider how badly he was treated by those fans.

 

[OnlyOne]

Tell me you didn’t read my post without telling me you didn’t read it. People seem to just love to overlook what was right in their faces and rate players on G/A:


It was more a position issue than anything with Xhaka. Nothing like Kai Havertz who is a useless and has been tossed around like a spliff in every single position so far.

I don’t know what you’re trying to say. What’s this comp for?

 

[UpTheGunnerz]

The absurd amount of sympathy the Assna fans give Havertz must make Xhaka furious if you consider how badly he was treated by those fans.

Absurd? 95 percent of am loathes him. Talking out you butthole as per usual

 

[2Smokeyy]

I don’t know what you’re trying to say. What’s this comp for?

It’s for educational purposes.

Don’t worry it’s suitable for children my young G

 

[SA Gunner]

Bro I’m not sure what you’re expecting from me. I’ve praised Arteta for it previously however let’s not get it twisted, it’s not like it was a revolutionary thing that Arteta done with Xhaka as he’s played further forward for Switzerland previously. He was also a pretty good player just misused and under appreciated by our fanbase. There was a whole summer I was debating with a few on here about his influence on our team vs Partey.

Regarding his position, Arsène said this back in 2016:

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The issue was had we utilised Xhaka in that role, who would have played the 6 back then? Coquelin? Elneny? Credit where it’s due for him utilising his strengths but even prior to that I didn’t really have that much of an issue with Xhaka, it was more his brainfart moments more than anything. Some were getting onto him a bit too much I felt.

Bro, Im not asking or fishing for Arteta praise.

I also do not think it matters that Wenger spoke about Granit playing as an advanced 8. Of course Arsène Wenger would have the intelligence and foresight to see this, he is a visionary.

The tangible reality is that Xhaka moved into that role, from the team sheet stage at the 21/22 season point onward. Not an in game adapted role based on an in game situation, but an actual tactical responsibility on the pitch from the onset. That was Arteta.

And yes, your points are valid as to why Granit didnt move up sooner. But Im actually not interested in who moved him up to 8 first.

What Im interested in, is the move itself. And to broaden the point, the idea that adjustment and adaptation at a player level is what we are seeing with this manager. I think when you see this, combined with the way we focus on multiple roles in our recruitment, do I think it becomes very premature to just write off players after 4 months.

Everyone knows Kai Havertz is not performing, even my man @King87. Kai looks like a failure right now for sure, and Ill gladly admit that to anyone who asks.

But if we pause, add some patience and take our emotions and desires for Kai to fail, and to be proven right about Kai being a failure, take away our thoughts of Arteta and his 65m ego trip, we have a chance to look at the player from a pure technical standpoint.

And from a purely technical standpoint, whether he is in form or not. Havertz gives us tactical options that adds to our game, not take away from it. And that is why he remains a useful member of our squad, for a season that presents multiple challenges.

To end... I also get it. I dont expect people to suppress the anger here to look at the technicalities. We could have and should have used the money differently. Whether Kai succeeds or not, I think that's probably a fact.

 

[Macho]

The absurd amount of sympathy the Assna fans give Havertz must make Xhaka furious if you consider how badly he was treated by those fans.

They joined at different times replacing different players I guess. I think most players joining under Arteta will be met with patience.

 

[Farzad]

Szboz is just a Hungarian Kai. He's doing nothing in Liverpool.

Total lie. He averages double the touches and more assists and has a live play goal. You keep pretending Szobo, who was cheaper and for less money in wages, who runs Lfc attack out of midfield is as big a flop. No one else believes it. Szoboszlai is a cheap buy and for every time Kai touches it he touches it 2.5 times and is a way better passer by the numbers

 

[Farzad]

Bro, Im not asking or fishing for Arteta praise.

I also do not think it matters that Wenger spoke about Granit playing as an advanced 8. Of course Arsène Wenger would have the intelligence and foresight to see this, he is a visionary.

The tangible reality is that Xhaka moved into that role, from the team sheet stage at the 21/22 season point onward. Not an in game adapted role based on an in game situation, but an actual tactical responsibility on the pitch from the onset. That was Arteta.

And yes, your points are valid as to why Granit didnt move up sooner. But Im actually not interested in who moved him up to 8 first.

What Im interested in, is the move itself. And to broaden the point, the idea that adjustment and adaptation at a player level is what we are seeing with this manager. I think when you see this, combined with the way we focus on multiple roles in our recruitment, do I think it becomes very premature to just write off players after 4 months.

Everyone knows Kai Havertz is not performing, even my man @King87. Kai looks like a failure right now for sure, and Ill gladly admit that to anyone who asks.

But if we pause, add some patience and take our emotions and desires for Kai to fail, and to be proven right about Kai being a failure, take away our thoughts of Arteta and his 65m ego trip, we have a chance to look at the player from a pure technical standpoint.

And from a purely technical standpoint, whether he is in form or not. Havertz gives us tactical options that adds to our game, not take away from it. And that is why he remains a useful member of our squad, for a season that presents multiple challenges.

To end... I also get it. I dont expect people to suppress the anger here to look at the technicalities. We could have and should have used the money differently. Whether Kai succeeds or not, I think that's probably a fact.

Havertz is technically a crap player for an elite Pl attacking player. Midfielder or forward

 

[Farzad]

I never rated Xhaka, still think he is too slow and a bad tackler. But compared to Kai as a midfielder he is Zidane. No joke Kai has matches with 27 passes 26 of them are 5 yards Farmer Mo passes. He destroys the buildup at every position

 

[2Smokeyy]

Bro, Im not asking or fishing for Arteta praise.

I also do not think it matters that Wenger spoke about Granit playing as an advanced 8. Of course Arsène Wenger would have the intelligence and foresight to see this, he is a visionary.

The tangible reality is that Xhaka moved into that role, from the team sheet stage at the 21/22 season point onward. Not an in game adapted role based on an in game situation, but an actual tactical responsibility on the pitch from the onset. That was Arteta.

And yes, your points are valid as to why Granit didnt move up sooner. But Im actually not interested in who moved him up to 8 first.

What Im interested in, is the move itself. And to broaden the point, the idea that adjustment and adaptation at a player level is what we are seeing with this manager. I think when you see this, combined with the way we focus on multiple roles in our recruitment, do I think it becomes very premature to just write off players after 4 months.

Everyone knows Kai Havertz is not performing, even my man @King87. Kai looks like a failure right now for sure, and Ill gladly admit that to anyone who asks.

But if we pause, add some patience and take our emotions and desires for Kai to fail, and to be proven right about Kai being a failure, take away our thoughts of Arteta and his 65m ego trip, we have a chance to look at the player from a pure technical standpoint.

And from a purely technical standpoint, whether he is in form or not. Havertz gives us tactical options that adds to our game, not take away from it. And that is why he remains a useful member of our squad, for a season that presents multiple challenges.

To end... I also get it. I dont expect people to suppress the anger here to look at the technicalities. We could have and should have used the money differently. Whether Kai succeeds or not, I think that's probably a fact.

It was Arteta and nobody is disputing that but let’s not forget he already had the luxury of the Xhaka and Partey partnership who were both at the time when fit clearly capable of going toe to toe with any midfield in the PL. It may sound like I’m downplaying what he done but it wasn’t revolutionary or rocket science to push Xhaka further up as he had someone who many on here rated as one of the best PnP in his position excluding Rodri in the PL giving him the license to roam.

On Havertz, I get the patience aspect as some will always take that stance. Many done so with the likes of Fabio Vieira and others in their first season as it wasn’t hindering our team but this signing deserves all the criticism it’s receiving. Pure arrogance from the clubs side. I get experimenting when it comes to depth or sprinkling a luxury player when we have bodies we can rely on in those positions but replacing Xhaka with Havertz was a big mistake especially with Partey being a perma crock. Sometimes it’s better to just opt for who is familiar with playing in the 8 rather than a jack of no trades and master of none.

 

[Paperino]

I think most players joining under Arteta will be met with patience.

And i think thats unfair.

 

[Macho]

And i think thats unfair.

It can be. If someone sh*ts on other players and only give Kai a chance because Arteta signed him then yeah that's incredibly lame.

If they are consistently sh*tting on everybody or have learned to give players time, that's very different. I've seen enough of my Kai myself anyways, so no longer hold back and I think we should look for a way out this summer.

 

[Jasinho]

I see the man is a LB now, trying to skeet as far away as possible from the pressures of being an attacker. What a joke.

 

[Farzad]

I see the man is a LB now, trying to skeet as far away as possible from the pressures of being an attacker. What a joke.

I predicted when we signed this guy; Mik would play him as LWB before admitting defeat. It is going to happen

 

[Farzad]

This is how dumb the Szobo comparison is with Kai:







Szobo if you notice is only attacking player or one of only a couple of attacking players on that list. What that tells you is like a Riquelme or Valderamma he is constantly catching the ball in the midfield and final third, under pressure and retaining control and making attack click. If you are an attacking mid; like the only attacker in top ten that means you are the chief initiator and press resistor for the entire LFc attack. Does Kai lead our team in touches or is he in top ten in league?