Kai Havertz: HavHurts

[squallman]

How badly did he tear his hamstring to be out for the entire season?

Jeez. Wonder if he was feeling it for a while and playing through it.

 

[Batman]

How badly did he tear his hamstring to be out for the entire season?

Jeez. Wonder if he was feeling it for a while and playing through it.

Probably came off the bone like Saka's did. He's out for the season because it's like a 3 month recovery from surgery and obviously 3 months from now is mid May which is basically the end.

 

[Red London]

You’re skewing the numbers to suit your agenda. It’s irresponsible.

Lol this is precisely what you are doing using that graph as any point as to why we have an injury crisis right now in relation to Liverpool or in general. You did the same with comparing Havertz’ goals to other strikers in the PL in context to minutes played, without showing minutes played in all comps… taking away from the whole point of it.

As I said last time, there’s no agenda here by me or therza tbh, it’s just pointing out cherry picking of statistics. IMO that’s a show of agenda or bias. Happened a couple times with you recently- just calling it how I see it.

 

[El Realista]

TBF, we don’t know what goes on behind the scenes, but Arteta looked unhappy that we didn’t get anyone signed. He’s not going to come out and speak against the board or whoever should have gotten something over the line, but it’s clear he wanted reinforcements.

He wants reinforcements but he is so close to what reinforcements he wants. But we should agree he doesn't rotate enough and I am sure our training sessions are being more intense than it should. It's not a coincidence we are facing so many injuries. He is burning the squad.

 

[El Realista]

How badly did he tear his hamstring to be out for the entire season?

Jeez. Wonder if he was feeling it for a while and playing through it.

Out of the season, that must be 3rd degree rupture. That means he completely ruptured his muscles. How do you get that injury? By poor warmings, poor stretching (those two I don't think are the reasons because they have physios) and prolonged fatigue. He should be carrying such high fatigue that after relaxing a little bit and the plane travel he ruptured his muscles with just a little effort in training.

 

[scytheavatar]

Out of the season, that must be 3rd degree rupture. That means he completely ruptured his muscles. How do you get that injury? By poor warmings, poor stretching (those two I don't think are the reasons because they have physios) and prolonged fatigue. He should be carrying such high fatigue that after relaxing a little bit and the plane travel he ruptured his muscles with just a little effort in training.

He already was showing signs of hamstring issues in the Newcastle game, seems to me that people in the club kept pushing him even with those signs.

 

[El Realista]

He already was showing signs of hamstring issues in the Newcastle game, seems to me that people in the club kept pushing him even with those signs.

Exactly, this travel was so stupid. Just let them rest but noooo, fatigue them with useless plane travel around the world and more physical training.

 

[Farzad]

Exactly, this travel was so stupid. Just let them rest but noooo, fatigue them with useless plane travel around the world and more physical training.

I said same thing last year an unneeded change in time zone and fatigue for muscles.

 

[kofigunner]

He wants reinforcements but he is so close to what reinforcements he wants. But we should agree he doesn't rotate enough and I am sure our training sessions are being more intense than it should. It's not a coincidence we are facing so many injuries. He is burning the squad.

There may be some truth in that, but there’s less rotation this season because we had injuries early and as a result we were always having to overplay players or use players out of possession. Arteta actually started resting Saka when we’re ahead in games. Personally I feel like there are too many games and it’s catching up with many teams. The nations cup or whatever it’s called didn’t allow much of an off season for players like Saka and many others who are always in demand.

 

[Tnegs]

Exactly, this travel was so stupid. Just let them rest but noooo, fatigue them with useless plane travel around the world and more physical training.

Do you think these guys fly economy?

https://www.londonworld.com/sport/football/arsenal/inside-arsenal-incredible-ps250m-luxurious-private-jet-photos-stars-pre-season-tour-3768869

 

[A_G]

Lol this is precisely what you are doing using that graph as any point as to why we have an injury crisis right now in relation to Liverpool or in general. You did the same with comparing Havertz’ goals to other strikers in the PL in context to minutes played, without showing minutes played in all comps… taking away from the whole point of it.

As I said last time, there’s no agenda here by me or therza tbh, it’s just pointing out cherry picking of statistics. IMO that’s a show of agenda or bias. Happened a couple times with you recently- just calling it how I see it.

You’re right. Arteta isn’t asking Havertz to do repeated high intensity sprints each game. There is no increased risk of injury here.

You still crying about the PL stats thing? It would make no sense to use other competitions when comparing him to players who don’t play in Europe. The fact that the KaiDF think fatigue is the reason why Chris Wood has nearly double his amount of goals is embarrassing and part of the lowering of standards around here.

 

[<<reed>>]

That he would get 25 league GA.

Another season with under 10 league goals from Kai I am hearing?

 

[Red London]

You’re right. Arteta isn’t asking Havertz to do repeated high intensity sprints each game. There is no increased risk of injury here.

You still crying about the PL stats thing? It would make no sense to use other competitions when comparing him to players who don’t play in Europe. The fact that the KaiDF think fatigue is the reason why Chris Wood has nearly double his amount of goals is embarrassing and part of the lowering of standards around here.

You are making a different point now, moving the goalposts. That graph does not talk about Arteta asking Havertz to do repeated high intensity sprints each game. This is my point, you have an opinion, and you are just using whatever stats you can get your hands on to make the point.

The funny thing is on both topics I agree with the general critique of the individual (Arteta overplaying Havertz and gassing him out, and Havertz just not being a good enough goalscorer). However when I see stats being incorrectly used or cherry picked to prove an opinion I will point it out, that’s what we call not being biased.

If you still don’t understand the Kai Havertz minutes thing despite me explaining extremely clearly at the time then there’s no hope. Go back and read my response + look at the amount of positive reactions I got from some good posters on here to paint the picture for you.

 

[ragnarock]

Players who don't play much get injured too, hamstring injuries are inevitable in sports where there's lots of running. Benching them for one or two more games wouldn't prevent much.

You are literally talking about load management.

Basically managing load is finding balance between fatigue and recovery. Yes if you run you are more likely to get injured (sitting on the sofa poses very little risk). But planning players exposure to training/games based of the basic principles of training (overload, specificity, progression, individualization, recovery, reversibility, variation) coupled with their history/genetics and complementary strength training, you can minimize the risk of injury (hamstring tears are one of the most researched due to it's prevalence in team sport).

Again; players will pull their hamstrings. But this trend at Arsenal is a statistical anomaly and there is enough boxes ticked in terms of probable cause that, in my opinion, suggests a load management error. Which is Arteta and his staffs responsibility.

 

[Macho]

Advantage Arsenal trending on X. Chance to win the league now!

People see tragedy I only see opportunity.

Hope he recovers and feel sorry for him as he gave everything which lead to this injury, but the guy was sh*t.

No choice but to try something else now Mikel.

 

[AberGooner]

Always the worry that we overplay him but guarantees Nwaneri starting every game which can only be a good thing.

 

[Rasmi]

The funny thing is because there’s no strikers left and our attacking style is geared to him. Come May his stock will have risen and people will talk about how underrated he is and how we fell away without him

 

[North5]

Cursed season.

 

[A_G]

You are making a different point now, moving the goalposts. That graph does not talk about Arteta asking Havertz to do repeated high intensity sprints each game.

Who do you think is sprinting in and out of possession?

look at the amount of positive reactions I got from some good posters on here to paint the picture for you

“I’m right because boonthegoon liked my post” is not a compelling argument bro.

 

[Red London]

Who do you think is sprinting in and out of possession?

Bro what are you on about? Stop trying to straw man and change the point, that’s has nothing to do with the point I refuted Your original point has been handled by @db10_therza @Dokaka as well as me.

Know where to hold your hands up and accept you’re wrong rather than digging deeper, and if you hate being wrong then work on always being right