La Liga Thread

[Yousif Arsenal]

Not those two, I was thinking more about the rest of the youngsters. I'm pretty sure I saw some roid rage chest bumps from a few of the bench warmers post match.

What did you expect pep already gave them the recipe when he was there

 

[Yousif Arsenal]

With Flick you can be sure in one thing,
He will always play attacking football, very vertical and with very high defesive line.

His Bayern was monster, he won everything with them in 2020. (sextuple).
Now he does the same with Barcelona.

Really surprised how bad he looked with Germany but whole team was awful in last world cup

 

[fute]

Really surprised how bad he looked with Germany but whole team was awful in last world cup

National teams are a different challenge.

He is probably better at the club level, with more quality time with the squad in the training sessions.

 

[Thrice]

You can see now how important Kroos was for Madrid. They completely lost their ability to control games without him.

 

[Batman]

He is 65.
What is the point to have both Tchouameni and Camavinga in the same lineup?
They are too similar.

To allow those in front to attack because like I just mentioned to you, the squad is unbalanced. Who else were they going to start? 39 year old Modric? They do not have a midfielder capable of controlling the tempo of the game. That's on Perez, not Carlo. They should have found a replacement for Kroos and didn't.

 

[Yousif Arsenal]

National teams are a different challenge.

He is probably better at the club level, with more quality time with the squad in the training sessions.

Agree the guy proven it with Bayern specially in europe

 

[HattoriHanzo]

To allow those in front to attack because like I just mentioned to you, the squad is unbalanced. Who else were they going to start? 39 year old Modric? They do not have a midfielder capable of controlling the tempo of the game. That's on Perez, not Carlo. They should have found a replacement for Kroos and didn't.

He could have started with Brahim Diaz as attacking midfielder, instead of Camavinga or Tchouameni.
Diaz can be very good on his day, I watched him a lot when he was loaned to AC Milan.
Tchouameni or Camavinga as DM, Diaz as AM, and Valverde/ Bellingham as 2 B2B midfileders.

It is not easy to find replacement for Kroos, one of the great midfielders in last 15 years.

 

[Jamie99]

This is what you get going gung-ho at Barcelona after being just 1 goal down. I don't think Ancelloti spent a bit of time studying Barca's games this season.

With both sides playing such fast paced attacking game, the team with the better defense "in-game" will almost certainly prevail after going ahead. If Madrid went ahead first, I think they win as well, as they would've been more organized defensively.

Both sides were actually very open and desperate to get the first goal. Midfield was almost non-existent for both teams until De-Jong came in and Barca's midfield became organized, giving them an edge.

I'll admit Madrid's forwards were all having a stinker. But when they conceded the first two goals they continued the same way without paying attention to how those goals came about. To me it's a bit naive knowing the quality of this Barca team. Maybe they thought recent history will always be on their side.

I think this loss was going to happen sooner than later because they've been leaking goals this season but somehow getting the wins.

They'll definitely look at the defense now after this humiliating defeat at the Bernabeu.

 

[Yousif Arsenal]

This is what you get going gung-ho at Barcelona after being just 1 goal down. I don't think Ancelloti spent a bit of time studying Barca's games this season.

With both sides playing such fast paced attacking game, the team with the better defense "in-game" will almost certainly prevail after going ahead. If Madrid went ahead first, I think they win as well, as they would've been more organized defensively.

Both sides were actually very open and desperate to get the first goal. Midfield was almost non-existent for both teams until De-Jong came in and Barca's midfield became organized, giving them an edge.

I'll admit Madrid's forwards were all having a stinker. But when they conceded the first two goals they continued the same way without paying attention to how those goals came about. To me it's a bit naive knowing the quality of this Barca team. Maybe they thought recent history will always be on their side.

I think this loss was going to happen sooner than later because they've been leaking goals this season but somehow getting the wins.

They'll definitely look at the defense now after this humiliating defeat at the Bernabeu.

That why I was surprised if you go high line then either win the ball back or offside traps they done neither every time Barcelona attacked they look scoring

 

[Batman]

He could have started with Brahim Diaz as attacking midfielder, instead of Camavinga or Tchouameni.
Diaz can be very good on his day, I watched him a lot when he was loaned to AC Milan.
Tchouameni or Camavinga as DM, Diaz as AM, and Valverde/ Bellingham as 2 B2B midfileders.

It is not easy to find replacement for Kroos, one of the great midfielders in last 15 years.

Sure, he could have. How do you think that would have helped their total inability to stop Barca doing whatever they wanted as soon as they got on the ball? They do not have the profile of midfielder in the squad to take the sting out of what Barca were trying to do which is why they resorted to playing the ball long and looking to take advantage of their pace. It clearly didn't work. If they had started Diaz instead the result would probably have been the same. It's a poorly put together squad with pieces that don't fit properly.

 

[HattoriHanzo]

Sure, he could have. How do you think that would have helped their total inability to stop Barca doing whatever they wanted as soon as they got on the ball? They do not have the profile of midfielder in the squad to take the sting out of what Barca were trying to do which is why they resorted to playing the ball long and looking to take advantage of their pace. It clearly didn't work. If they had started Diaz instead the result would probably have been the same. It's a poorly put together squad with pieces that don't fit properly.

They have.
Any of Modric, Guler or Diaz could have been introduced earlier, when the result was still 0:0.
Modic can play 1 half on very high level.
Maybe they wouldn't win, at least they wouldn't have been embarassed with 4:0.

 

[Batman]

They have.
Any of Modric, Guler or Diaz could have been introduced earlier, when the result was still 0:0.
Modic can play 1 half on very high level.
Maybe they wouldn't win, at least they wouldn't have been embarassed with 4:0.

Madrid had the better chances when it was 0-0 at halftime. What happened between the first goal going in and the second one has nothing to do with personnel or the manager. It's a defender not paying attention to his line and playing a man on and then the team totally switching off. That's where the game was lost. You see Modric made no difference at all when he came on at 2-0. They scored 2 more so this notion that it was going to change something does not jive with reality. They did not play well today and were not switched on enough defensively. None of the players you mentioned were going to help with that.

 

[HattoriHanzo]

Barcelona is the team with highest number of offside traps in 5 big leagues in Europe this season.
Real looked completely unprepared for that, and this made a difference.

 

[SA Gunner]

@SA Gunner would not approve of it, Mbappe is not fit for Tetaball

Yup, if Arteta had a choice between Mbappe and Darwin I think he’d choose Darwin. It’s the same reason we also haven’t gone for Leao in my opinion.

But to be fair to Mbappe though, I haven’t seen much of him at Madrid, perhaps he has become more of a team player at Madrid.

That’s the key here… team player.

 

[SA Gunner]

This is what you get going gung-ho at Barcelona after being just 1 goal down. I don't think Ancelloti spent a bit of time studying Barca's games this season.

With both sides playing such fast paced attacking game, the team with the better defense "in-game" will almost certainly prevail after going ahead. If Madrid went ahead first, I think they win as well, as they would've been more organized defensively.

Both sides were actually very open and desperate to get the first goal. Midfield was almost non-existent for both teams until De-Jong came in and Barca's midfield became organized, giving them an edge.

I'll admit Madrid's forwards were all having a stinker. But when they conceded the first two goals they continued the same way without paying attention to how those goals came about. To me it's a bit naive knowing the quality of this Barca team. Maybe they thought recent history will always be on their side.

I think this loss was going to happen sooner than later because they've been leaking goals this season but somehow getting the wins.

They'll definitely look at the defense now after this humiliating defeat at the Bernabeu.

Good summary of the game, gave me a mental picture of what happened last night.

This back and forth seems to be more the norm these days, with teams willing to open up to secure that early advantage.

We’re actually seen it with ourselves as well, in games this season. Forcing matters to get that early goal and then sit deeper and manage the game from there on. Especially with Ødegaard out.

Interesting bit you mentioned is that Madrid conceded the same type of chances after going down. I wonder if they understood that they were weak in those areas and took the same risk anyway, should be interesting to see further analysis on this.

 

[SA Gunner]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1850275967119348205

 

[Maddar16]

Yamal is the greatest teenager ever.

 

[SA Gunner]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1850275967119348205

 

[The Ducking Duck]

Always nice seeing that gimp Mbappe getting humiliated while being utterly awful.

I love Nwaneri but the guy not Cubasi or Yamal

We don't know that. He has barely played.

Real should've been out of sight by half time.

A football match consists of more than one half.

 

[Jamie99]

Good summary of the game, gave me a mental picture of what happened last night.

This back and forth seems to be more the norm these days, with teams willing to open up to secure that early advantage.

We’re actually seen it with ourselves as well, in games this season. Forcing matters to get that early goal and then sit deeper and manage the game from there on. Especially with Ødegaard out.

Interesting bit you mentioned is that Madrid conceded the same type of chances after going down. I wonder if they understood that they were weak in those areas and took the same risk anyway, should be interesting to see further analysis on this.

I think the occasion got to them a bit (perhaps the emotion of the Classico) and they started playing without caution, perhaps because they thought they got the quality to (taking the risk anyway like you mentioned). I mean Mbappe and Vinicius were trying to force things to happen not paying attention to the whole team dynamics.

It was like the team felt they were playing against an inferior opponent and so by forcefully attacking they'll eventually get the breakthrough. Maybe they would have, but Barca's offside trap was excellent. And it was obvious to everyone that the offside trap was the game plan, hence why I didn't understand why Madrid kept falling for it, especially Mbappe of all forwards.

For the 3rd and 4th goals the Madrid last line of defence was almost at the half way line. I believe if they had opted for a bit of control they would have got one back after the 2nd (the first 2 were in quick successions so not much to make of it, except one wants to put blame on the poor positioning of both central defenders).

The Madrid team is disjointed honestly. Hans Flick's Barca on the other hand are well drilled and organized to play their game. In my opinion to defeat them you need a bit of control and calm so as to beat the offside trap.