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League Cup | Arsenal vs. Doncaster Rovers | 20 Sep 2017 - 19:45

Match Prediction


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Jasard

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I'm all for giving youngsters a couple of games in a slightly different position to give them some minutes and experience playing for the first team but to consistently do it is detrimental to their development. AMN has played a few games for us now and he's pretty much always out of position which makes him look a bit poor, means he's not developing his actual role, messes with his confidence and just doesn't give him any chance to have a spark moment that someone like Fabregas or Wilshere had.

These kids will play a handful of games out of position this season then get dumped because they didn't shine and it's not their fault at all.
 

Tosker

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The performance against a 3rd division side just wasn't good enough though, and that's what worries some of us. We had Giroud, Theo and Sanchez up front and we could only score once. We had no shots on target second half against Chelsea, these are concerns that need to be addressed.
makes me wonder if Wenger sorted more than a seat for SAF - who wouldn't have wanted to see his son humiliated, after being sacked by Peterborough and Preston:lol:
 

bingobob

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Honestly don't understand the upset at playing young players out of position. Gets them used to handling uncomfortable situations, and if anything may lessen any loss of confidence that might come from not playing well. If you play badly in your preferred position then you have little to fall back on.
There is little advantage to be gained playing players out of position in competitive games. It is immensely difficult to adopt to a new position for any player never mind a young player with little experience. They need repetition and the danger there is that the repetition in a new position means they lose what they had in their more familiar position ie Aaron Ramsey.

Against Koln ANM had a poor game at Lwb thankfully Wenger switched him into the centre had he player brilliantly. If he hadn't switched I wonder what damage that does to his confidence and the fans faith in him.

I certainly see a continuing danger with our players where they are slowly becoming jack of all trades and masters of nothing. Who was the last player that was shifted about regularly and became a top player for us?
 

Makingtrax

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Wilshere - deployed at CM, AM, RW, LW.
Ramsey - CM, AM, RW, LW
Ox - RW, LW, CM, AM, RWB, LWB
Lolcott - RW, LW, CF
Iwobi - LW, RW, AM, CM
Chambers - RB, CB, DM.

and now

AMN, 20 years old - RW, CM, RB, CB, RWB, LWB.
Nelson (17) - RW, LW, AM, RWB.

Some of those positions aren't even compatible, FFS. What is the man playing at?
Wenger has a history of playing players in different positions.

He converted Lauren from a winger/midfielder to a full back. Kolo Toure from a utility/midfielder to a CB, Cole from a winger to a full back. Even Campbell at one stage had played higher up. And we all know how that turned out.

Wenger has never been one dimensional in his ideas. A clever manager is always looking for ways to improve the team and adapt.

To stand still in a high pressure game where most managers last just a few months is ****. 21 years is just ridiculous.
 

Lookin' for a new Baby

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Wenger has a history of playing players in different positions.

He converted Lauren from a winger/midfielder to a full back. Kolo Toure from a utility/midfielder to a CB, Cole from a winger to a full back. Even Campbell at one stage had played higher up. And we all know how that turned out.

Wenger has never been one dimensional in his ideas. A clever manager is always looking for ways to improve the team and adapt.

To stand still in a high pressure game where most managers last just a few months is ****. 21 years is just ridiculous.
I can't work out if that is praising Wenger or not.:confused:
 

say yes

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Wenger has a history of playing players in different positions.

He converted Lauren from a winger/midfielder to a full back. Kolo Toure from a utility/midfielder to a CB, Cole from a winger to a full back. Even Campbell at one stage had played higher up. And we all know how that turned out.

Wenger has never been one dimensional in his ideas. A clever manager is always looking for ways to improve the team and adapt.

To stand still in a high pressure game where most managers last just a few months is ****. 21 years is just ridiculous.

Got a huge amount of time for this attempt to credit Wenger for converting England international, Sp**s captain and premier league team of the season CB Sol Campbell to ... CB.

Lovely stuff.
 

silent_shadow

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Unfortunately playing Nelson and AMN at wingback was expected knowing Wenger.
Excuses can be brought up about developing, etc, but let's be honest, the reason Nelson played there is because we don't have a proper RWB backup. Poor squad management really.

Only saw the first half which from the sounds of it was a blessing. I thought we looked comfortably better than them in the first 30 that on another day we would've scored 3 in that time.
Giroud looks like he's reached that stage of poor form that he goes through every season (almost scored a worldie though), but that's the great thing about signing a first choice striker!

Wilshere looked really good when I watched. I'm close to getting on that train again... Just praying he stays fit cause he'll be a good option on the bench at the very least.
 

celestis

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Wenger has a history of playing players in different positions.

He converted Lauren from a winger/midfielder to a full back. Kolo Toure from a utility/midfielder to a CB, Cole from a winger to a full back. Even Campbell at one stage had played higher up. And we all know how that turned out.

Wenger has never been one dimensional in his ideas. A clever manager is always looking for ways to improve the team and adapt.

To stand still in a high pressure game where most managers last just a few months is ****. 21 years is just ridiculous.

Yeah Petit from centre back to DM and Henry as a striker , Cazorla as a DLP .
 

Crocrodile

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Wenger has a history of playing players in different positions.

He converted Lauren from a winger/midfielder to a full back. Kolo Toure from a utility/midfielder to a CB, Cole from a winger to a full back. Even Campbell at one stage had played higher up. And we all know how that turned out.

Wenger has never been one dimensional in his ideas. A clever manager is always looking for ways to improve the team and adapt.

To stand still in a high pressure game where most managers last just a few months is ****. 21 years is just ridiculous.

Wenger has been one-dimensional, especially tactically and with player selection.

Bellerin and Ox had to play WB, even though we got in a TOTS Bundesliga one.

Our record transfer signing hasn't even played a full game yet.

How about the fact that Wenger has said we want to use multiple formations, yet we haven't started a game in anything other than the 3-4-2-1 he revealed after Chelsea and Juventus especially used them before. On top od that, we use the before-mentioned formation at all youth levels, irregardless of players actually fitting there.

One point where a lot of posters like to play it down, because they are still clinging onto past times with Wenger, is the incorporation of youth players into the 1st team, which has been attrocious for a few years.

These young guns often have a lot on their mind, they are trying to adapt to football that is faster, more tactically advanced and physically taxing. They also want to impress, which leads to them being more anxious, antsy and careless. The last thing they need is being put in a position, where their responsibilities are different, especially in a game that frankly means **** all. It 's as if you would ask a bricklayer to watch over the construction site and vice versa. Same pitch, same sport different duty. After our players look like they are understandably finding their feet at an unfamilliar position, coaches and posters both deem them not good enough. Shambolic.

They have been all taking on the chin though. AMN the most of all being yanked around the WB positions and the back 3. He 's a midfielder and the game vs Köln, who are probably a level above Doncaster, proves that.

Reiss Nelson is trying to defend, even though if he pans out, he will mostly have to track back and not get stuck in, as he is a front 3 type of player.

Willock has played as a midfielder the whole preseason and now can't get gametime vs Doncster there. Wenger gets a pass from me here, the senile fool probably thinks that is Chris Willock.

DaSilva is an unexpectedly big individual, so Wenger does the same as he did with Kola, playing him out of position.

Host of errors from a manager who doesn't admit his errors.
The last youth player who has broken through into the 1st team was Bellerin because from the get-go he played at the right position.
 

Deathstroke

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Yeah Petit from centre back to DM and Henry as a striker , Cazorla as a DLP .

Isn't it telling that most of those successful positional transitions being cited are from an era gone by (bar Cazorla)?

To me, it's more relevant to look at how he's been using players (particularly younger ones) in recent years, and the evidence makes for less than pleasant reading.
 

celestis

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Isn't it telling that most of those successful positional transitions being cited are from an era gone by (bar Cazorla)?

To me, it's more relevant to look at how he's been using players (particularly younger ones) in recent years, and the evidence makes for less than pleasant reading.

Alexis as striker :). What young players mate ?
 

Lookin' for a new Baby

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Wenger has been one-dimensional, especially tactically and with player selection.

Bellerin and Ox had to play WB, even though we got in a TOTS Bundesliga one.

Our record transfer signing hasn't even played a full game yet.

How about the fact that Wenger has said we want to use multiple formations, yet we haven't started a game in anything other than the 3-4-2-1 he revealed after Chelsea and Juventus especially used them before. On top od that, we use the before-mentioned formation at all youth levels, irregardless of players actually fitting there.

One point where a lot of posters like to play it down, because they are still clinging onto past times with Wenger, is the incorporation of youth players into the 1st team, which has been attrocious for a few years.

These young guns often have a lot on their mind, they are trying to adapt to football that is faster, more tactically advanced and physically taxing. They also want to impress, which leads to them being more anxious, antsy and careless. The last thing they need is being put in a position, where their responsibilities are different, especially in a game that frankly means **** all. It 's as if you would ask a bricklayer to watch over the construction site and vice versa. Same pitch, same sport different duty. After our players look like they are understandably finding their feet at an unfamilliar position, coaches and posters both deem them not good enough. Shambolic.

They have been all taking on the chin though. AMN the most of all being yanked around the WB positions and the back 3. He 's a midfielder and the game vs Köln, who are probably a level above Doncaster, proves that.

Reiss Nelson is trying to defend, even though if he pans out, he will mostly have to track back and not get stuck in, as he is a front 3 type of player.

Willock has played as a midfielder the whole preseason and now can't get gametime vs Doncster there. Wenger gets a pass from me here, the senile fool probably thinks that is Chris Willock.

DaSilva is an unexpectedly big individual, so Wenger does the same as he did with Kola, playing him out of position.

Host of errors from a manager who doesn't admit his errors.
The last youth player who has broken through into the 1st team was Bellerin because from the get-go he played at the right position.
Just abut sums it up for me. You wouldn't ask a shot putter to do the 100m.
 
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