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Let's all laugh at Man Utd: Onana, Where’s Your Shame?

Macho

CEO of Rustlers burgers.
Dusted 🔻

Country: England
I said this on October 15th:



I can see from this thread that 3 people who I have on ignore are causing a back and forth that frankly doesn’t make any sense. It’ll play out as it always does.

I can’t imagine being a fan of a club and having to caveat any and all progress because you have a dislike for someone involved. But frankly it’s expected. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; I understand why our fanbase has the reputation it does - we truly are one of if not the worst collection of fans going. I love Arsenal to death and have done since my first game at Highbury at 10 years old, but I maintain - I don’t like Arsenal fans. Something about our low period has bred in many of us a weakness and a victim mentality that we can’t shake. The club and the current squad has shaken off the brittle “can’t handle a rainy day in Stoke” tag, but as a fanbase we haven’t. We’re whiners, complainers, bitter and annoying. The only thing we’re good for is to help clicks and engagement for social media and digital platforms, which is why official accounts for things like the CL or Prem post us a lot (good and bad) because they know if anybody is gonna take the bait, whether that’s flood the post with likes or flood the post with replies, it’s Arsenal fans.

That image of Wenger at Old Trafford standing on the dugout with his arms out like “where do you want me to go?! What do you want me to do?!” should be the header on this forum. Because that has become our overall collective personality as a fanbase.

Again. Love the club. Actually really like the regular matchday goers and the older, level headed fans. Outside of that, cannot stand us.

Trust me the feelings mutual. The amount of times I've had to read double standards, covert racism and just pure hatred for players on here, I've been very critical of the fanbase long before you've been on here.

For different reasons though, a lot of you just take criticism of Arteta or your select favourite players to heart and think that's a solid reason to call a fanbase bad. Crying because not everybody agrees.

You guys get upset and bring up Wenger in a negative light without fail too and have the nerve to call yourselves fans. I read these pathetic posts with the same people clapping and saying "yeah well said" and it's all cringe.

For those who don't like differing opinions, just don't log in. This match day tripe as if those who go to the stadium are more qualified to have an opinion needs to get in the bin too.
 

jones

Not German FFS
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Just so much bullshit in here and chest thumping over nothing.

"b-but why can't I laugh at Utd?!" who's stopping you am I the police?? I might think you're full of sh*t but who cares and why does that matter?
There's different ways to laugh at them anyway, it's f*ck United forever and under any circumstances.

Rashford gets sent off and they lose against a Finnish amateur club - piss on them and ETH all you want. You just look ridiculous if that means you have to start drawing comparisons when our gaffer was even worse at the same point in time at their respective clubs.
 

SuperGoon

Debbie Downer

Country: Ireland

Player:Saka
Trust me the feelings mutual. The amount of times I've had to read double standards, covert racism and just pure hatred for players on here, I've been very critical of the fanbase long before you've been on here.

For different reasons though, a lot of you just take criticism of Arteta or your select favourite players to heart and think that's a solid reason to call a fanbase bad. Crying because not everybody agrees.

You guys get upset and bring up Wenger in a negative light without fail too and have the nerve to call yourselves fans. I read these pathetic posts with the same people clapping and saying "yeah well said" and it's all cringe.

For those who don't like differing opinions, just don't log in. This match day tripe as if those who go to the stadium are more qualified to have an opinion needs to get in the bin too.
Yeah, well said.
 

DuBB

Active Member
Mate we're absolutely nothing special, every fanbase is chock full of dickheads. It's not the club that lures them, it's the sport.

I agree with you somewhat, but everything has its gold standard.

Many clubs played passing, tiki taka football - Barca did it best
Lots of artists put on a show - Beyonce might do it better than anyone
Not all football fans are racist, but some clubs have large contingents - nobody does that better than Chelsea
Football fans (especially online) can be d***heads - Arsenal fans are the tip of that spear
 

Farzad

Self-appointed Deprogrammer for the Cult of Mik 🟥

Country: USA

Player:Martinelli
Artetaball is beautiful and ETh ball is boring counter football:IMG_0448.png
 

Farzad

Self-appointed Deprogrammer for the Cult of Mik 🟥

Country: USA

Player:Martinelli
We can not win league being 5th in league in chance creation. Our finishers are not as clinical as Lfc or City.
 

Buhry

Established Member

Country: Norway
Artetaball is beautiful and ETh ball is boring counter football:View attachment 19801

Tbh Ive found us very boring this season. But at least we are defensively good. Utds defence this year is like swiss cheese. Last season it was probably their biggest strength. ETH seems to have pissed off Varane, the angry oompa lompa got that karmic justice long term injury, and Onana looks crap at actual goalkeeping. Which leaves them with Maguire, Lindelof and Evans. Thats legit a lower table defence, they are all bad. Maguire probably the least bad. Lindelof is the biggest fraud defender in the leauge I swear. He doesnt make blantant howlers like maguire does but he hides all the time and shirks his duty, hes like the Kai Havertz of centre backs.
 

Farzad

Self-appointed Deprogrammer for the Cult of Mik 🟥

Country: USA

Player:Martinelli
Tbh Ive found us very boring this season. But at least we are defensively good. Utds defence this year is like swiss cheese.
We don’t create much out of midfield and we create very few chances, our attack is very predictable. Defensively we are more solid
 

Farzad

Self-appointed Deprogrammer for the Cult of Mik 🟥

Country: USA

Player:Martinelli
Tbh Ive found us very boring this season. But at least we are defensively good. Utds defence this year is like swiss cheese. Last season it was probably their biggest strength. ETH seems to have pissed off Varane, the angry oompa lompa got that karmic justice long term injury, and Onana looks crap at actual goalkeeping. Which leaves them with Maguire, Lindelof and Evans. Thats legit a lower table defence, they are all bad. Maguire probably the least bad. Lindelof is the biggest fraud defender in the leauge I swear. He doesnt make blantant howlers like maguire does but he hides all the time and shirks his duty, hes like the Kai Havertz of centre backs.
Onana has been pretty good last few matches. They have major problems but we don’t create much more in chances than them. If we both create less chances, and score at a lower clip than top two rivals it will take Herculean defensive effort to even have shot at league
 

Buhry

Established Member

Country: Norway
Onana has been pretty good last few matches. They have major problems but we don’t create much more in chances than them. If we both create less chances, and score at a lower clip than top two rivals it will take Herculean defensive effort to even have shot at league

You are right, and I agree, I think the reason why we are still competing is because of our defensive solidity. Our midfield has been completely dead creatively with Ødegaard out of form and Shy Havertz replacing Xhaka which is about 5 steps backward as we know. And tbf Raya hasnt really been much better than Onana either. For us to really compete this year I feel that Ødegaard needs to find form and we need to get lucky with injuries like jesus not constantly getting injured. If we actually spent the Havertz money on someone uselul wed be in a much better position...

Still think we are in a much much better position than this lot though because we have a young squad with good players in most positions. Theirs is aging in many and they dont really have much good young talent. And I dont rate 7 hag but thats just my opinion, I think he has spent a lot of money on not very good players and they look worse than last year. Some of his spending is basically as questionable as some of Artetas worst.
 

Farzad

Self-appointed Deprogrammer for the Cult of Mik 🟥

Country: USA

Player:Martinelli
You are right, and I agree, I think the reason why we are still competing is because of our defensive solidity. Our midfield has been completely dead creatively with Ødegaard out of form and Shy Havertz replacing Xhaka which is about 5 steps backward as we know. And tbf Raya hasnt really been much better than Onana either. For us to really compete this year I feel that Ødegaard needs to find form and we need to get lucky with injuries like jesus not constantly getting injured. If we actually spent the Havertz money on someone uselul wed be in a much better position...

Still think we are in a much much better position than this lot though because we have a young squad with good players in most positions. Theirs is aging in many and they dont really have much good young talent. And I dont rate 7 hag but thats just my opinion, I think he has spent a lot of money on not very good players and they look worse than last year. Some of his spending is basically as questionable as some of Artetas worst.
Eth is 50 matches in, do you remember where project we are in was 50 matches in? I wanted to cry watching us play that first full season. I don’t think ETH is a world beater; he made a giant mistake getting control over transfers and botching it. He is tactically a better coach; he doesn’t have and needs an Edu partner. Not that Edu is a world beater either but he has bought decently well last few windows

Not just the Havertz money; but our attack is running with one of 5 engines out. His minutes are worse than a waste; he brings down everyone else in attack. If you have one player in a unit just way off tune it screws up the sound of the whole quartet. Like Holding to our defensive scheme when he came in last year. He himself didn’t have many showy mistakes; he brought everyone else’s level down because they over compensated and Holding threw off their rhythm. Holding made Gabriel, White, Partey, and Zinny all worse than they were when Saliba was in there. Kai is now the 65 million, one million a month; attacking Holding; who Mik plays every match regardless of performance
 

Sebastes

Statbomb Merchant
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Country: Sweden
I said this on October 15th:



I can see from this thread that 3 people who I have on ignore are causing a back and forth that frankly doesn’t make any sense. It’ll play out as it always does.

I can’t imagine being a fan of a club and having to caveat any and all progress because you have a dislike for someone involved. But frankly it’s expected. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; I understand why our fanbase has the reputation it does - we truly are one of if not the worst collection of fans going. I love Arsenal to death and have done since my first game at Highbury at 10 years old, but I maintain - I don’t like Arsenal fans. Something about our low period has bred in many of us a weakness and a victim mentality that we can’t shake. The club and the current squad has shaken off the brittle “can’t handle a rainy day in Stoke” tag, but as a fanbase we haven’t. We’re whiners, complainers, bitter and annoying. The only thing we’re good for is to help clicks and engagement for social media and digital platforms, which is why official accounts for things like the CL or Prem post us a lot (good and bad) because they know if anybody is gonna take the bait, whether that’s flood the post with likes or flood the post with replies, it’s Arsenal fans.

That image of Wenger at Old Trafford standing on the dugout with his arms out like “where do you want me to go?! What do you want me to do?!” should be the header on this forum. Because that has become our overall collective personality as a fanbase.

Again. Love the club. Actually really like the regular matchday goers and the older, level headed fans. Outside of that, cannot stand us.
You love the club and the match day going fans.

You hate the digital/online/social media Arsenal community and you hate the whining.

You’re on an online forum, full of people from that same community whining about this.

Shocker.
 

HattoriHanzo

Active Member

Country: Croatia
ETH’s first 18 months could be described as decent.
He came to United as experienced coach (with 10 years of managerial experience and 3 Eredivisie titles).
He was 3rd in PL and has won Carabao cup in his first season in United.
But he has also some historical results (0:7 at Anfield) and also 0:4 against Brighton.
They are not bad now, being only 6 points behind us and 7 points behind City.
They struggle in their matches, but in the end they sneak victories, especially recently.

If somebody wants to compare his start in United with Arteta’s in Arsenal, some things should be taken into account.
Arteta arrived to Arsenal as total novice, with 0 coaching/ managerial experience.
Years in City, where he made coffee for Pep every morning and laid cones during training sessions, don’t count.
Why Arsenal board decided to give job to novice is a matter for discussion elsewhere.
After 3 months of work in Arsenal, Arteta had to cope with COVID (like everybody else) and everything stopped for 3 months.

ETH was backed in United with 447 million euros of transfer arrivals so far (according to Transfermarkt)
Arteta in 1/2 of season 2019/20 and the whole season 2020/21 was backed with 93 million euros of transfer arrivals (according to Transfermarkt)

In these 18 months he won FA cup and failed to qualify to CL.
He struggled a lot, and was almost sacked at least once.
I remember our abysmal run in autumn 2020. where in 7 PL matches we won only 2 points (out of 21 available)

End of essay.
 

OnlyOne

‘Donkeys don’t have a peak, they remain useless’
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Country: England
United making the right moves.. Arnold, Varane, Casemiro, Sancho…
 

Buhry

Established Member

Country: Norway
United making the right moves.. Arnold, Varane, Casemiro, Sancho…

Well Casemiro and Varane were two of their best players last season along with Rashford. Very key to the ''success¨ they had. Replacing them won't be easy or cheap. So far this season they either look dusted or fed up with Ten Hag though. Guy benching Varane for ''tactical'' reasons to play 35 year old evans against City, looks like he'll be on his way out soon (varane).
 
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