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Let's all laugh at Man Utd: Ten Hag and Dazs

drippin

I reject your reality, I substitute my own !!

The what would have been had it not been for injuries players

Eric Bailly (£30 million)

One of the few players who had a brilliant start to his time at Old Trafford but injuries have got the best of him too often. The 28-year-old Ivory Coast international has been at Old Trafford for six seasons but has only made 70 appearances in the Premier League.

Eric Bailly Manchester United Aston Villa 2-1


Bailly has struggled to establish himself at Old Trafford (Photo: Laurence Griffiths/Getty Images)
Luke Shaw (£30 million)

Shaw joined United as the most expensive teenager in football in 2014.

The 26-year-old has been through a series of ups and downs (the worst parts including a horrible injury and a brittle relationship with Mourinho) that leave question marks in his career. The talent and potential were always there, recently shown in the 2020-21 season, but it is up to him now to remain consistent.

Radamel Falcao (loan)

Falcao looked a shadow of the spectacular striker United thought they signed from Monaco in 2014. He only scored four Premier League goals during his time at Old Trafford but the move had the feeling of being a failure before it even began, considering he had barely played since returning from his serious knee injury.

Alarm bells should have been ringing but United thought he was worth the risk. History now tells us he wasn’t.


The good but not used properly players

Paul Pogba (£89 million), Fred (£52 million) and Donny van de Beek (£39 million)

These three midfielders can be brought under the same umbrella. They displayed great talent in systems and roles that catered to their strengths — United bought them for everything they were good at then proceeded to abandon that. Pogba is not a lone defensive midfielder. Fred and Van de Beek were shackled behind the halfway line in a double pivot. Can Ten Hag get Fred and Van de Beek back to their best, now that Pogba has left?

Anthony Martial (£36 million)

Martial is one of the best examples of United’s failure to develop talented players. He joined the English club with the world at his feet in 2015 and was hailed as one of the best upcoming young talents in football.

His first touch was sleek, he could dribble past players before they would take notice. But he was mismanaged. If United had focused on improving his movement off the ball and tactical understanding, he might not have become a forward who could only perform in streaks.

Daley Blind (£14 million)

Blind was a master at breaking lines from deep. He worked at United when the rest of the team didn’t — allowing them to build out and exit their own half consistently. Unfortunately, Mourinho rolled around and his excellent traits in possession weren’t as important.

Juan Mata (£37 million)

Mata joined United aged 25, at the peak of his career, under Moyes in January 2014. The left-footed creative forward works best as a roaming No 10, but needed short, sharp combinations with a striker or winger to excel.

Throughout the multiple iterations of United’s rebuild, he was never given that.


The sensible transfers

Raphael Varane (£41 million)

A centre-half wasn’t the highest priority, but you do not say no to a four-time Champions League winner that brings experience and, more importantly, recovery pace to put out fires in United’s back line. Injuries ruined his first season, so Ten Hag must hope he sees more of him than Solskjaer and Ralf Rangnick did.

Victor Lindelof (£31 million)

Lindelof is probably the most “un-Mourinho” signing ever, given his lack of physicality and aerial dominance, but he is a good option to have in the squad when paired with a proactive centre-half, especially given his long-range passing and ability to delay tricky wingers well.

Sergio Romero (free)

Served United well as one of the best No 2 goalkeepers in the Premier League.

Amad Diallo (£37 million) and Facundo Pellistri (£9 million)

It remains to be seen what rewards these two youngsters reap for United, but they represent two rare occasions where the club has looked (and invested) towards the future instead of reactionary stop-gaps.

Odion Ighalo (loan)

As a player best known for mixed performances at Watford, fans weren’t excited the moment Ighalo joined. His addition appeared to be the epitome of applying a plaster to a broken leg, but that thought didn’t last long. Ighalo was decent. He brought the option United didn’t have — a striker from the bench, decent hold-up play, two-footed finishing, athleticism and goals (five in 23 games). But most positively, he showed a love for the badge that offered a pleasant surprise.

Zlatan Ibrahimovic (free)

In a season Ibrahimovic turned 35, he still managed to score 28 goals across all competitions in 2016-17. Everything about him, especially the leadership he brought to the dressing room, meant that he was a good fit.

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Many of the transfers United completed fall under a general theme of misuse and lack of clear planning.

Whatever it may be, there needs to be a better approach to identifying 1) the specific roles (not just positions) United need and 2) the players who fit those roles and can operate in United’s tactical structure.

It will be only then that United’s transfer record can improve.

*all figures taken from Transfermarkt
"Raphael Varane (£41 million)

A centre-half wasn’t the highest priority, but you do not say no to a four-time Champions League winner that brings experience and, more importantly, recovery pace to put out fires in United’s back line. Injuries ruined his first season..."

What pace? :lol:

Amad Diallo (£37 million)

Wow whaaaat? 37 million pounds??? And people shocked about what we paid for Vieira?
 

SA Gunner

Hates Tierney And Wants Him Sold Immediately
Moderator

Another W for @Rex Banter lol.

Damn. My boy's pants was completely pulled down this time.

Man United power struggle: Ten Hag's role in Rangnick's exit​

Erik ten Hag played a key role in Ralf Rangnick's sudden exit from Manchester United -- ESPN's Insider Notebook has the latest. PLUS: Why Man City are happy to lose Raheem Sterling and Gabriel Jesus this summer.

Ten Hag's role in Rangnick's demise at United​

Manchester United and Ralf Rangnick agreed to cut ties at the end of the season in part because of Erik ten Hag's reluctance to work with the German in his proposed consultancy role, sources have told ESPN.

Rangnick spent the second half of last season as interim manager at Old Trafford and was due to take up a two-year consultancy position starting this summer.
But just a week after the end of the campaign, United announced Rangnick would make a clean break from the club and focus fully on his role as manager of the Austria national team.
Sources told ESPN that United instigated the termination of the agreement in consultation with Ten Hag, although Rangnick was already unhappy at not being granted a formal handover with the new manager.

Rangnick, according to sources, was expecting to meet Ten Hag face-to-face for a detailed meeting but instead the new United boss opted to only grant a phone call.
Sources also told ESPN that United bosses had become increasingly exasperated by some of Rangnick's public comments in news conferences, particularly that as many as 10 new signings were necessary this summer. Sources added that United asked Rangnick to sign a non-disclosure agreement as part of his departure.
 

ExtjExhtts

You guys do like p**zy, right?
Or maybe people dislike narcissists talking about how great they are and how evil the rest of the world is.
 

Rex Bezos

Here We Go 🤝
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Yeah, this is like when Arsenal fans review bombed Willian’s restaurant and got it to a really low rating.

Or when Everton fans reviewbombed Guillem ballbago and his Cruyff book so badly on Amazon he started crying about it and turned his Twitter private :lol:



Another W for @Rex Banter lol.

Damn. My boy's pants was completely pulled down this time.

Man United power struggle: Ten Hag's role in Rangnick's exit​

Erik ten Hag played a key role in Ralf Rangnick's sudden exit from Manchester United -- ESPN's Insider Notebook has the latest. PLUS: Why Man City are happy to lose Raheem Sterling and Gabriel Jesus this summer.

Ten Hag's role in Rangnick's demise at United​

Manchester United and Ralf Rangnick agreed to cut ties at the end of the season in part because of Erik ten Hag's reluctance to work with the German in his proposed consultancy role, sources have told ESPN.

Rangnick spent the second half of last season as interim manager at Old Trafford and was due to take up a two-year consultancy position starting this summer.
But just a week after the end of the campaign, United announced Rangnick would make a clean break from the club and focus fully on his role as manager of the Austria national team.
Sources told ESPN that United instigated the termination of the agreement in consultation with Ten Hag, although Rangnick was already unhappy at not being granted a formal handover with the new manager.

Rangnick, according to sources, was expecting to meet Ten Hag face-to-face for a detailed meeting but instead the new United boss opted to only grant a phone call.
Sources also told ESPN that United bosses had become increasingly exasperated by some of Rangnick's public comments in news conferences, particularly that as many as 10 new signings were necessary this summer. Sources added that United asked Rangnick to sign a non-disclosure agreement as part of his departure.

Made no sense from day one. Hiring a DoF who’s not anything special as a manager when you’ve just signed Sancho, Ronaldo and Varane meant they waved the white on the season in November.

The logic of letting Rangnick see the issues close up sounded like nonsense to me from day one but even if it had worked he wasn’t going to be DoF but a consultant.

So no hiring a manager he’d work well with or even any deciding say in recruitment. He just looked a dead duck who was probably cheap and took pressure off the Utd board.

End result is they’ve hit the reset button yet again, they still have no real DoF and still haven’t made any actual signings.

All their players have regressed except for Ronaldo who they wasted a world class season from. Now he’s so pissed off with the banter club he’s trying to force a move away.
 

Wiggins

Active Member
They need an expenditure of at least 500 million this transfer window, they have no decent academy players - they're screwed so bad it's not funny.
 

SA Gunner

Hates Tierney And Wants Him Sold Immediately
Moderator
They have a decent team that can already compete for top four, as is.

If they keep Ronaldo, and get Fernandes, Sancho, Rashford, Martial, Fred, Varane, De Gea, Shaw firing, that is something to work with over a season in a good system.

On top of that if they add some quality to a rejuvenated side, they will be dangerous. Think about what our youngsters could do for large parts of the season with a single focus.

Dont write off United just yet.
 

Rex Bezos

Here We Go 🤝
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They have a decent team that can already compete for top four, as is.

If they keep Ronaldo, and get Fernandes, Sancho, Rashford, Martial, Fred, Varane, De Gea, Shaw firing, that is something to work with over a season in a good system.

On top of that if they add some quality to a rejuvenated side, they will be dangerous. Think about what our youngsters could do for large parts of the season with a single focus.

Dont write off United just yet.

Rashford, Martial, Fred and Varane are just net negatives at this point when you consider wages. All of them should be shipped out.

There’s just so many mediocre players but worse than that they don’t fit together.

Team should really built to get the best out of Ronaldo but he doesn’t fit with Bruno or Rashford at all.
 

TornadoTed

Well-Known Member
I would be wary of writing United off on the back of one disastrous season. A lot of people wrote Liverpool off after 2020-21 only for them to hit 92 points last season.

They have some obvious weaknesses that need addressing but have some very good players to build on and if the manager can get them all on side they could be dangerous. They were 2nd in 2020-21 after all with largely the same squad.
 

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