Manager Wish-List Thread

[Dokaka]

How well would Arteta do with that squad you think? You see him get 94 points while losing starters every season?

Probably not? I don't know. It's why I have Inzaghi ahead of him, we've simply seen more. I think they're doing a fairly equal job right now but Inzaghi has the Lazio thing too as you mentioned.

He has well paid players but let's not act like he has a City level squad because Calhanoglu got a massive wage bump after coming on a free, he became one of the best midfielders in the world only after Inzaghi joined. He did extremely well with Lazio before anyway, I've been wishlisting him since then.

Didn't say he did, just said it's the most expensive squad in the league, so Inter should be the favourites.

Point was the paddling Arteta always gets for "spending" is disingenuous when he isn't even topping the list in the league he's in. People make it out like he's outspending everyone which just isn't true, he's 3-4th and pushing for the title which objectively is slightly over-performing or - at the very least - doing an adequate job.

Yeah a better manager could get more from the same players, never denied that. We just disagree on who is on that list, and it's a very short one considering they need to have a track record of performing above expectations consistently at the very top level.

 

[jones]

Probably not? I don't know. It's why I have Inzaghi ahead of him, we've simply seen more. I think they're doing a fairly equal job right now but Inzaghi has the Lazio thing too as you mentioned.



Didn't say he did, just said it's the most expensive squad in the league, so Inter should be the favourites.

Point was the paddling Arteta always gets for "spending" is disingenuous when he isn't even topping the list in the league he's in. People make it out like he's outspending everyone which just isn't true, he's 3-4th and pushing for the title which objectively is slightly over-performing or - at the very least - doing an adequate job.

Yeah a better manager could get more from the same players, never denied that. We just disagree on who is on that list, and it's a very short one considering they need to have a track record of performing above expectations consistently at the very top level.

Ignoring everyone else in the league for a moment do you think Arteta is over performing because he's doing better than Ten Hag Amorim or whatever overpaid bellend de jour Boehly has in charge? If Nuno had managed to get Forest into the CL would Arteta still get higher ratings than him? Answers obviously no so what about now when he's taken them from relegation contenders to 7th on a budget?

Think regardless of the above what all this myopic talk of budget, wages etc ignores is he's had almost six years uninterrupted with a squad that is entirely in his image - virtually no budget constraints, no players forced on him nothing and no DoF telling him to get his full back addiction looked at.

You can point to injuries or disgraceful refereeing but the fact is we've been serving up football which is as bad as the dross we've seen in 2021. That's just inexcusable at this point and if you're saying it's a short list of managers who can do better with this squad right now you're absolutely nuts.

 

[jones]

Fair. I don't think we "bottled" it either for what it's worth. The cheaters went on one of the greatest runs in history.

All this bottle or choke talk is some yank horseshit which doesn't even make sense 99% of the time in football.

I think Arteta is stealing a living and even I wouldn't say he or we bottled it. Wouldn't even say it about 22/23 despite leading the league for almost the entire season - that team was extremely dependent on Partey playing out of his skin and when he went down so did we.

 

[HattoriHanzo]

All this bottle or choke talk is some yank horseshit which doesn't even make sense 99% of the time in football.

I think Arteta is stealing a living and even I wouldn't say he or we bottled it. Wouldn't even say it about 22/23 despite leading the league for almost the entire season - that team was extremely dependent on Partey playing out of his skin and when he went down so did we.

Also both Saliba and Tomiyasu went down and he had to use Holding.
Very big difference.

 

[HattoriHanzo]

Ignoring everyone else in the league for a moment do you think Arteta is over performing because he's doing better than Ten Hag Amorim or whatever overpaid bellend de jour Boehly has in charge? If Nuno had managed to get Forest into the CL would Arteta still get higher ratings than him? Answers obviously no so what about now when he's taken them from relegation contenders to 7th on a budget?

Think regardless of the above what all this myopic talk of budget, wages etc ignores is he's had almost six years uninterrupted with a squad that is entirely in his image - virtually no budget constraints, no players forced on him nothing and no DoF telling him to get his full back addiction looked at.

You can point to injuries or disgraceful refereeing but the fact is we've been serving up football which is as bad as the dross we've seen in 2021. That's just inexcusable at this point and if you're saying it's a short list of managers who can do better with this squad right now you're absolutely nuts.

It's not exactly true, Arsenal is not City or PSG.

It would be better if he had proper DOF who would challenge him and told him to stop hoarding fullbacks and centre backs in order to buy some attackers instead.

 

[jones]

It's not exactly true, Arsenal is not City or PSG.

It would be better if he had proper DOF who would challenge him and told him to stop hoarding fullbacks and centre backs in order to buy some attackers instead.

That's why it reads virtually. We're a lot closer to City than to the club we used to be, haven't checked the numbers but counting in my head I'm fairly sure Arteta spent more on goalies defenders and DMs than any other manager bar Guardiola and even then the latter is only ahead because he's been around for 10 years longer.

 

[HattoriHanzo]

That's why it reads virtually. We're a lot closer to City than to the club we used to be, haven't checked the numbers but counting in my head I'm fairly sure Arteta spent more on goalies defenders and DMs than any other manager bar Guardiola and even then the latter is only ahead because he's been around for 10 years longer.

Arteta's squad building has been very poor, I agree with this.
Edu was completely useless, therefore it would have been much better to have proper DOF who would challenge Arteta.
Transfermarkt has published recently that 59 clubs in Europe have spent more on attackers than Arsenal since Arteta arrived, this fact says a lot.

Anyway, seems that Inzaghi goes to S. Arabia, Italians report that he has accepted Al Hilal job.
Inter will probably go for Fabregas or De Zerbi.

 

[Entropics]

Arteta keeps being the luckiest manager in the world, enjoying a dream scenario no manager has ever had before and delivering 0 trophies and the worst football in recent history the club has seen as a result. Literally any manager doing more with less, and that's almost all of them, can do a better job. None of them are out there wasting most of their team's finances to deploy embarrassing haramball.

 

[carlito'sway]

Talking about Inzaghi.....It seems he is going to Al Hilal in the Saudi league.

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Inter head coach Simone Inzaghi is set to leave the club following Saturday’s Champions League final defeat to Paris Saint-Germain

 

[carlito'sway]

Arteta's squad building has been very poor, I agree with this.
Edu was completely useless, therefore it would have been much better to have proper DOF who would challenge Arteta.
Transfermarkt has published recently that 59 clubs in Europe have spent more on attackers than Arsenal since Arteta arrived, this fact says a lot.

Anyway, seems that Inzaghi goes to S. Arabia, Italians report that he has accepted Al Hilal job.
Inter will probably go for Fabregas or De Zerbi.

Not sure it will be either.....RDZ said today he has not been contacted and not leaving OM.

 

[Martinvonkeown]

If Arsenal bottled 2022/23 and 2023/24, Inter also bottled 2021/22 (to Milan) and 2024/25 (to Napoli)
Either both Inter and Arsenal bottled, or none of them.
It is crystal clear.
The difference is that nobody expected that Arsenal will compete for the title in 2022/23, while Inter was clear favourite in seasons 2021/22 and 2024/25.

In season 2021/22 Inter has bottled the title the 27th of April, before matchday 35, when they lost to Bologna 2:1 (this was game from matchday 20 which was postponed, I don't remember anymore why it was postponed).
This season they lost title in matchday 37, when they drew with Lazio 2:2. Before that they were in driving seat.

If you go to Inter forum, you will see that majority of their fans think that they have bottled these 2 seasons.

At least they won the title in season 2023/24.
It is important to note that Inter has strongest squad in Serie A in last 5 seasons.

Inter definitely bottled the scudetto. Napoli tried their best to give it away.

 

[shoot for the top]

According to Capology, Inter have the highest wages with 2.7 mio euros per week gross. In second place is Juve with roughly 700k a week less. He is expected to win the Serie A.

According to the same website, Arsenal are in 3rd place with 3.2 million pounds per week, with Chelsea in 4th on a few thousand less. United and City spend more.

He just lost Serie A while being in front on GW 33, he got his ass handed to him in the CL Final. He's not on an entirely different level, but he's ahead because he won trophies. I'll give you that. Let's not pretend he's the second coming of Rinus Michels.

Picking on the wage bill is such a disingenuous way of looking at that Inter squad. He bought many of those players on a free transfer.

 

[Dennis_Bergkamp_10]

Picking on the wage bill is such a disingenuous way of looking at that Inter squad. He bought many of those players on a free transfer.

No, it's been widely documented that there is a positive correlation between spending on wages and team performance.

 

[shoot for the top]

No, it's been widely documented that there is a positive correlation between spending on wages and team performance.

Your statistic professor will be disappointed at interpretation of the data. Correlation does not mean causation.

 

[Jason Jace]

The day we realize arsenal football club is not a serious institution, that's the day we will truly start supporting it with peace of mind, cause like they say, it's the hope that kills you.

It's easy to point blame at the manager but the truth is the owner wants you to do exactly that.
It happened with Wenger, it happened with unai and it's happening with arteta.

They will invest the barest minimum in transfer to tease success, and when it looks like all they need is to invest just a little bit more to put it all together and get it over the line, they will stop investing and let the manager takes all the blame for failure to produce success.
It's like they are afraid of success and the responsibility it might bring.

It's easy to point point to the manager and call him a failure but if he is truly failing a serious institution would fire the Manager that is failing and employ a better one but they won't do that because if they do, they would have to the give the new manager players to succeed and if they don't people will truly see them for the frauds they are, so they will stick with old manager for as long as possible and let them take the responsibility their their collective failings. This club do not want success, it's not important to them. The earlier we accept it, the better for us.

 

[Dennis_Bergkamp_10]

Your statistic professor will be disappointed at interpretation of the data. Correlation does not mean causation.

Yeah, I never said it was. Jesus Christ. Of course it's not perfect, but do I need to spell it out for you?

Typically, larger wage bills mean stronger performances. There are other factors at play.

 

[Makingtrax]

All this bottle or choke talk is some yank horseshit which doesn't even make sense 99% of the time in football.

I think Arteta is stealing a living and even I wouldn't say he or we bottled it. Wouldn't even say it about 22/23 despite leading the league for almost the entire season - that team was extremely dependent on Partey playing out of his skin and when he went down so did we.

The thing is though, how do you know that Arteta's manic personalty isn't putting too much pressure on his players. Can they perform when the chips are down?

This is a solid squad all round, no blatant holes like Wenger had to put up with. Yet they can't even win a minor cup. All the other teams in the top 6 have pretty much mopped up all the cups and league over the last 5 years. We're the only team to win absolutely nothing. Surely there's a story there and it might include bottling.

 

[jones]

The thing is though, how do you know that Arteta's manic personalty isn't putting too much pressure on his players. Can they perform when the chips are down?

This is a solid squad all round, no blatant holes like Wenger had to put up with. Yet they can't even win a minor cup. All the other teams in the top 6 have pretty much mopped up all the cups and league over the last 5 years. We're the only team to win absolutely nothing. Surely there's a story there and it might include bottling.

I don't think it's bottling, it's just that he's a limited manager. He did really well to stumble on a working formula in 22/23 but everything else including last season was basically Mourinho minus the man management skills and ability to work with big name forwards.

Give him the right players he'll win a trophy in England because a) we have a talented squad and b) who doesn't these days lol. I give him a lot of stick but he'd probably be a good DoF, he can sell players and fans dreams and has good talent ID for 60% of the pitch.

 

[Makingtrax]

I don't think it's bottling, it's just that he's a limited manager. He did really well to stumble on a working formula in 22/23 but everything else including last season was basically Mourinho minus the man management skills and ability to work with big name forwards.

Give him the right players he'll win a trophy in England because a) we have a talented squad and b) who doesn't these days lol. I give him a lot of stick but he'd probably be a good DoF, he can sell players and fans dreams and has good talent ID for 60% of the pitch.

60% of the pitch

 

[Kuroske]

I don't think it's bottling, it's just that he's a limited manager. He did really well to stumble on a working formula in 22/23 but everything else including last season was basically Mourinho minus the man management skills and ability to work with big name forwards.

Give him the right players he'll win a trophy in England because a) we have a talented squad and b) who doesn't these days lol. I give him a lot of stick but he'd probably be a good DoF, he can sell players and fans dreams and has good talent ID for 60% of the pitch.

When Arteta win the PL or CL next year, it is because we have the best squad in the world and Arteta got lucky with the drawing or that the rival clubs did not preform at their best.

Our next manager should be Southgate.