sergio_giorgini
Dying on Mt.Neymar Hill
I think we should keep an eye on Vincenzo Italiano.
Prefer Karl-Heinz Deutsch.
I think we should keep an eye on Vincenzo Italiano.
No bad vibes & annoying shouting on the sidelineswonder what changed?
The quintessential millenial way (not saying u are millenial reed) to describe arteta's behaviour on the touchline - bad vibesNo bad vibes & annoying shouting on the sidelines
Most of them arent real fansThe twitter mob would never go for Potter as he doesn’t have any ‘sauce’.
George is a bit long in the tooth but we'd probably still play better football under him than this fool Arteta.Go get Graham tonight!!
Potter seems the obvious one. One thing that's a slight warning sign to me is that he really favors a wingback setup, usually with some variation of 3 cm's and 2 forwards. Tbh I don't know how well that suits our current squad seeing we don't have any clear cut wing backs and Saka, ESR and Martinelli all favors/work best as wingers which his setup doesn't have. It's not adapting tactics to his squad either, he favored the same setup in Sweden with Östersund. There's also the slight red flag on experience. He's not that experienced to be honest and certainly in dealing with so called stars.
Christophe Galtier is one I'd look at. He has plenty of experience and pedigree and is tactically versatile. Knows how to win and isn't reliant on any big fee signings. He took over relegation threatened St Etienne in December 2009 after being assistant coach to the then fired Alain Perrin.
Left St Etienne after the 16/17 season being at that moment the currently longest serving coach in the league and was appointed as manager of 18th placed Lille in December -17.
- Kept them up in the first season
- Finished top 10 in the consecutive 7 seasons, 4 of which was European places
- Ended a 32 year long trophy draught, wining the Coupe de la Ligue in 2013
Two days after winning the league title, he resigned as manager, stating: "I simply have the deep belief that my time is up here.". Signed as manager for Nice, who'd finished 9th in 20/21
- Kept Lille up with a 17th placed finished in the 17/18 season
- 2nd after PSG in 18/19
- 4th in 19/20
- Won the league in 20/21
Nice is currently 2nd in Ligue 1 (though Marseille have a game in hand).
Potter seems the obvious one. One thing that's a slight warning sign to me is that he really favors a wingback setup, usually with some variation of 3 cm's and 2 forwards. Tbh I don't know how well that suits our current squad seeing we don't have any clear cut wing backs and Saka, ESR and Martinelli all favors/work best as wingers which his setup doesn't have. It's not adapting tactics to his squad either, he favored the same setup in Sweden with Östersund. There's also the slight red flag on experience. He's not that experienced to be honest and certainly in dealing with so called stars.
Christophe Galtier is one I'd look at. He has plenty of experience and pedigree and is tactically versatile. Knows how to win and isn't reliant on any big fee signings. He took over relegation threatened St Etienne in December 2009 after being assistant coach to the then fired Alain Perrin.
Left St Etienne after the 16/17 season being at that moment the currently longest serving coach in the league and was appointed as manager of 18th placed Lille in December -17.
- Kept them up in the first season
- Finished top 10 in the consecutive 7 seasons, 4 of which was European places
- Ended a 32 year long trophy draught, wining the Coupe de la Ligue in 2013
Two days after winning the league title, he resigned as manager, stating: "I simply have the deep belief that my time is up here.". Signed as manager for Nice, who'd finished 9th in 20/21
- Kept Lille up with a 17th placed finished in the 17/18 season
- 2nd after PSG in 18/19
- 4th in 19/20
- Won the league in 20/21
Nice is currently 2nd in Ligue 1 (though Marseille have a game in hand).
There's also the slight red flag on experience. He's not that experienced to be honest and certainly in dealing with so called stars.
Yeah I agree with that. I just think there's levels to it and managing Östersund through the Swedish league system with pretty much non-existing pressure from the community (don't even know if they can be said to have fans ). So even though he has experience from managing football teams, he doesn't have the experience from the sort of pressure from fans, the club itself or even highly paid players.Don't want to play the old comparison game here, but to put this experience talk into perspective: Almost any of the top managers out there have started out somewhere rather insignificant and worked their way up, gaining experience on the way - and you can only get experience at a top club if you're actually coaching one.
Klopp did 7 years at Mainz with his big feat being obviously his playing style as well as keeping them up for 3 years plus 2 promotions to Bundesliga - he got hired by Dortmund after getting his second promotion with Mainz, btw. The job of establishing Mainz in the top flight was done by Tuchel the following 5 years.
Potter managed Östersunds for 7 years and got them promoted multiple times while winning a cup, now he's seemingly reinforcing that impressive work doing some very good work at Brighton in the so called toughest league in the world. I don't think experience wise there's a lot between Klopp when he got the Dortmund job and Potter where he is now.
Dortmund and Arsenal are in eerily similar situations even: Ex behemoths in troubled waters. BvB had finished 7, 7, 9, 13 in the four years before Klopp, Arsenal have finished 6, 5, 8, 8 the last four seasons.
Anyway, I don't want to do the Klopp Potter comparison like some do the Klopp or Pep Arteta comparison, I just want to say bar some very, very few exceptions everyone had to start somewhere and everyone now considered a top class coach in the running for or already in a top job had to be given the opportunity at such a top club to prove this. Ten Hag had 5 years as first team manager before Ajax, as laid out Klopp had 7 years before Dortmund, Tuchel 5 years before Dortmund, Conte 5 years before Juve, etc etc. And the time spans for promising young managers to be snapped up by top clubs trying to not just get the most talented players but also the most talented managers on board is getting shorter and shorter. Nagelsmann had 3 years before Leipzig - their status as a top club is definitely up for debate and I surely don't consider them one, but they are usually self professed Bayern challengers - and 5 before Bayern. Marco Rose did Salzburg, Gladbach and ended up at Dortmund in the span of 4 years without being fired by any of those clubs. So I really think Potter's 10 years of nonstop head coaching, especially considering his stints at Östersunds and his current work at Brighton - don't qualify as inexperience.
Yeah I agree with that. I just think there's levels to it and managing Östersund through the Swedish league system with pretty much non-existing pressure from the community (don't even know if they can be said to have fans ). So even though he has experience from managing football teams, he doesn't have the experience from the sort of pressure from fans, the club itself or even highly paid players.
As I see it he has his Brighton tenure to count as experience - at least at the top level
Galtier seems to prefer 442, that's true. But iirc he deployed a 433 at Lille as well..?Christophe Galtier's management of both Lille and Nice from what I've seen has been quite balanced, great in defence, solid and well organised, as well as playing some nice attacking football. Both looked and look so confident, determined with a wining mentality, very well coached and playing at a high level.
Really like Graham Potter too, as well as Lucien Favre and Erik Ten Hag. Rudi Garcia is another notable mention.
Potter seems to switch between 352 and 343, Galtier prefers a 442; those formations don't fit our players, but maybe they could adapt the formation to what suits us.