Martin Ødegaard: El Capitanø Incognito

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Bagels

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I feel as though when discussing prior eras, discounting perception is entirely silly. Your understanding of any given period is of course based firstly on your perception of it, which is why when people describe these things the language tends towards the subjective.

I do also feel as though I have been reading and listening to the same conversations with the same points my entire life, across every period I’ve witnessed. It nearly makes one wonder whether the sport has been in decline since it’s inception. Or how much the nostalgia factor really plays for some - have we forgotten that English footy for e.g. was dominated by hoof and hope and crunching tackles? Or do we only remember The Arsenal and Manchester United running rampant, scoring great goals on the weekends?

This comes out even when discussing players of old, who despite their undoubted world class ability you would think never had a poor game, or forgot they were slagged off for seasons at a time, etc etc. The way many speak on players long retired vs. the way they spoke about them throughout their careers can be a funny thing to clock.

As these things have always happened, I have no doubt many will speak on this current era and the current top players similarly in the future.

Objectively comparing eras is borderline impossible, the parameters are all changed. That something is different does not make it any better or worse inherently.

In my view, it is enough to say the sport is ever evolving and changing, and that different people will have personally preferred (or not) “eras”. There will always be some who miss the past, some who enjoy the current and others who are excited for the future.
 

Red London

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I feel as though when discussing prior eras, discounting perception is entirely silly. Your understanding of any given period is of course based firstly on your perception of it, which is why when people describe these things the language tends towards the subjective.

I do also feel as though I have been reading and listening to the same conversations with the same points my entire life, across every period I’ve witnessed. It nearly makes one wonder whether the sport has been in decline since it’s inception. Or how much the nostalgia factor really plays for some - have we forgotten that English footy for e.g. was dominated by hoof and hope and crunching tackles? Or do we only remember The Arsenal and Manchester United running rampant, scoring great goals on the weekends?

This comes out even when discussing players of old, who despite their undoubted world class ability you would think never had a poor game, or forgot they were slagged off for seasons at a time, etc etc. The way many speak on players long retired vs. the way they spoke about them throughout their careers can be a funny thing to clock.

As these things have always happened, I have no doubt many will speak on this current era and the current top players similarly in the future.

Objectively comparing eras is borderline impossible, the parameters are all changed. That something is different does not make it any better or worse inherently.

In my view, it is enough to say the sport is ever evolving and changing, and that different people will have personally preferred (or not) “eras”. There will always be some who miss the past, some who enjoy the current and others who are excited for the future.
I think we have also entered the hyper analytical and critical age with social media, YouTube, and forums like this since those times. We hyper analyse things and track every update minute by minute, so we are well aware of the drawbacks or weaknesses in the current game. I feel like back then it was a more simple time. People tuned it for the football or went to the games, spoke about it at the pub/schoo/work and that was it. There’s so much focus and attention on it now that the cracks show.
 

GoonerJeeves

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Country: Norway
It’s definitely not perception, you can go back and watch the football before it was a micro managed stalemate. It was breath taking. Players could show off their artistry with a swagger, that’s somehow been drilled out of them today. And @GDeep™ is absolutely right too, the league has never been so weak. The difference between City, Arsenal and the bottom teams is a yawning chasm, with teams like United and Chelsea on a 20yr + low.
Pragmatism will always defeat Romance and beauty, unfortunately. I readily admit to see the 1982 and 1986 Brazil sides through rose-tinted spectacles. In reality, our current Arsenal team would probably beat those teams 5-0 or more.

Does it really matter in the end though? Isn't the real question whether you still enjoy the game, enjoy the sport. If the answer is no, should we not do something else? Solo synchronic swimming? Stamp collection? Amateur radio? Trainspotting?

For my own part, I couldn't wait for this travesty of an international break to end. I look forward to the game tomorrow, and I'll tune in to the Leeds - Sheffield United game tonight, out of sheer withdrawal symptoms. If Leeds score, I'll turn it right off mind you....
 

Rasmi

Prophet of Doom

Country: England
Interesting. Possession is a weird stat innit. My memory of that game is us having loads of possession in the first half and doing nothing with it and then smashing them up after going 1 down in the second half. Looking at those stats you wouldn’t have thought that’s what happened. But it did. Another day we could have scored 4/5 in that second half.

I wonder what the field tilt stats were, maybe the Soton possession was all around their box.

Southampton is gonna go down. They are terrible. My point was compared to city and Liverpool smaller teams have more of the ball and are more comfortable on it. That comes down to us not being as good as keeping the ball. Southampton scored and hit the post twice against us and they are shocking
 

db10_therza

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That comes down to us not being as good as keeping the ball.

I’m not so sure - I think it’s more down to us letting them pass between themselves at the back and not pressing high coz we don’t want to tire ourselves out and be open to the counter.

Again - look at the field tilt. It was 87%…
Possession for the sake of possession isn’t all that useful a metric.

Fwiw I think if/when Rice is moved back to 6 we will be more comfortable pressing high as we’ll be less worried about being countered against.

Tactical variations aren’t really your thing are they?
 

Makingtrax

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Country: England

Player:Saliba
Pragmatism will always defeat Romance and beauty, unfortunately. I readily admit to see the 1982 and 1986 Brazil sides through rose-tinted spectacles. In reality, our current Arsenal team would probably beat those teams 5-0 or more.

Does it really matter in the end though? Isn't the real question whether you still enjoy the game, enjoy the sport. If the answer is no, should we not do something else? Solo synchronic swimming? Stamp collection? Amateur radio? Trainspotting?

For my own part, I couldn't wait for this travesty of an international break to end. I look forward to the game tomorrow, and I'll tune in to the Leeds - Sheffield United game tonight, out of sheer withdrawal symptoms. If Leeds score, I'll turn it right off mind you....
I don’t see the point in comparing eras in terms of who would beat who for team sports. Pure speculation. Of course we can do it for individual sports like athletics. Usain Bolt was the fastest man alive in 2009 and is still a lot better than anybody in 2024.

For some people, football is nothing more than ‘winning’. A boring match with a set piece goal in extra time is enough. But for others it’s all about the entertainment, the skill on display and the excitement of seeing goals well crafted. And in this respect you can compare eras. There’s no right or wrong though, just opinion. Each to their own.
 

Gooner Zig

AM's Resident Accountant

Country: Canada
Southampton is gonna go down. They are terrible. My point was compared to city and Liverpool smaller teams have more of the ball and are more comfortable on it. That comes down to us not being as good as keeping the ball. Southampton scored and hit the post twice against us and they are shocking

You'll notice that once Southampton got more of the ball we put 3 goals past them in the second half - some of the best goal scoring opportunities happen in transition when the opposition loses the ball. Our first half possession was close to 70% yet we struggled to break them down when they were camped in their box in a low block.
 

Rasmi

Prophet of Doom

Country: England
You'll notice that once Southampton got more of the ball we put 3 goals past them in the second half - some of the best goal scoring opportunities happen in transition when the opposition loses the ball. Our first half possession was close to 70% yet we struggled to break them down when they were camped in their box in a low block.
They also scored and hit the post twice. They hit the bar at 2-1 with 5 mins to go
 

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