Martin Ødegaard: El Capitanø Incognito

[hydrofluoric acid]

Its good that Ode can come from the bench and help us stat pad already won games. Could be the role for him moving forward.

 

[GDeep™]

Thanks for the memories buddy. Goodbye.

 

[Yousif Arsenal]

He had one good pass so his thread is getting bumped by the yanks

If he do f**k all in game and make one great pass that lead to goal or him scoring I'd welcome it. Just like Bruno

 

[Batman]

The assist was good. The rest was kind of whatever. At least he made the correct pass to Gyok for once. Little victories.

 

[pure profit FC]

The assist was good. The rest was kind of whatever. At least he made the correct pass to Gyok for once. Little victories.

Batman is Tsundere for Ødegaard.

 

[Batman]

Batman is Tsundere for Ødegaard.

Nah, I would be willing to see how he performs under another manager but in an ideal world someone buys him this summer and we give MLS and Nwaneri more minutes in midfield.

 

[Rain Dance]

finally he realized passing to Gyokeres for his stronger foot is possible

 

[DanDare]

He can play with MLS and Nørgaard Vs Mansfield.

On at 70 Vs Chelsea for Eze

 

[TakeChillPill]

His ball retention is excellent, would prefer him as DLP rather than a 10. He's very good at progressing the ball from defence to midfield. Something rice struggles with.

We play 2 of the Best CBS in the world, combined the best DM in rice. We can play both ode and eze in the team in central areas.

 

[Aubamabludclat94]

His ball retention is excellent, would prefer him as DLP rather than a 10. He's very good at progressing the ball from defence to midfield. Something rice struggles with.

We play 2 of the Best CBS in the world, combined the best DM in rice. We can play both ode and eze in the team in central areas.

Arteta is not gonna play two midfielders who are so weak in the 50/50s in the premier league. Its just not gonna happen. People need to give up on that. I don't necessarily blame him either tbh. You are very likely to give up the midfield battle with a midfield like that. If you want to fit in both Ødegaard and Eze, Eze has to play out wide.

 

[Trilly]

Think we played pretty well without Ødegaard personally. Stop trying to gaslight me into thinking we’re better with him starting when Arteta barely believes so himself

Good player going through some weird form but he’s used up all his good will now. Let’s call a spade a spade. He’s been ‘soft’ benched a couple times under the guise of returning from a knock, if he was paying at 22-24 levels he’d have been rushed back.

 

[Aubamabludclat94]

Think we played pretty well without Ødegaard personally.

Stop trying to gaslight me into thinking we’re better without him when Arteta barely believes so himself

Good player going through some weird form but he’s used up all his good will now. Let’s call a spade a spade. He’s been ‘soft’ benched a couple times under the guise of returning from a knock, if he was paying at 22-24 levels he’d have been rushed back.

We've played good games and some horrendous games without Ødegaard, if we were calling a spade a spade, we'd first and foremost say that. He was rushed back against Brentford and got hurt when he conceded that stupid set piece goal. Do we forget how bad we were against Wolves literally a week ago? Versus Brentford that first half? I dont even have to go back further than that to make my point. Lets not start this **** again. Ødegaard has his uses, Eze has his uses, Kai has his uses. But they've all had really awful games playing in that midfield role except for Kai whos honestly not played there enough for us to claim he's the solution cause he's been injured the whole ****ing season. Not sure what some of you get off on wanting to **** on this man at any given opportunity but its beyond ****ing bizarre. Mf barely played this month and is still somehow the antichrist.

 

[Trilly]

We've played good games and some horrendous games without Ødegaard, if we were calling a spade a spade, we'd first and foremost say that.

I’ve never said otherwise. I’m pushing back at those who try to use every bad performance without him as a sign that we need him.

He was rushed back against Brentford and got hurt when he conceded that stupid set piece goal. Do we forget how bad we were against Wolves literally a week ago? Versus Brentford that first half? I dont even have to go back further than that to make my point.

Which is pretty much what you’re doing here.

Ødegaard has his uses…Not sure what some of you get off on wanting to **** on this man at any given opportunity but it’s beyond ****ing bizarre. Mf barely played this month and is still somehow the antichrist.

I’m well aware he has his uses, I think he’s a great option to have when he’s not being weird but he’s more someone that should be competing with Zubimendi imo. Also am I ****ting on him or did I literally not just say…

Good player going through some weird form but he’s used up all his good will now.

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Yeah. You’re being combative for no reason lol

 

[Batman]

Think we played pretty well without Ødegaard personally. Stop trying to gaslight me into thinking we’re better with him starting when Arteta barely believes so himself

Good player going through some weird form but he’s used up all his good will now. Let’s call a spade a spade. He’s been ‘soft’ benched a couple times under the guise of returning from a knock, if he was paying at 22-24 levels he’d have been rushed back.

I was watching a tactical analysis of the match against the Spuds and the 2 things that keep coming into focus in terms of us being able to find and exploit space repeatedly were Eze taking up positions in our buildup that Ødegaard rarely takes up which broke up their man to man press and made it so that there was always a gap to exploit and Timber not being in his stupid auxiliary striker position very often.

We played through the middle and advanced the ball up the pitch in a way that we simply don't with Ødegaard choosing to drop deep for no reason and make it easier for the opponent to condense the pitch. Havertz takes up very similar positions to Eze and again all of a sudden you see space that we don't see with Ødegaard trying to link play in phases that don't need his intervention. The formula is there. Ødegaard should be competing for his place with Zubi. He should no longer be treated as the most advanced midfield option because he's not going to occupy the places that we need that position to occupy to get the most out of our front line.

 

[Dokaka]

I was watching a tactical analysis of the match against the Spuds and the 2 things that keep coming into focus in terms of us being able to find and exploit space repeatedly were Eze taking up positions in our buildup that Ødegaard rarely takes up which broke up their man to man press and made it so that there was always a gap to exploit and Timber not being in his stupid auxiliary striker position very often.

We played through the middle and advanced the ball up the pitch in a way that we simply don't with Ødegaard choosing to drop deep for no reason and make it easier for the opponent to condense the pitch. Havertz takes up very similar positions to Eze and again all of a sudden you see space that we don't see with Ødegaard trying to link play in phases that don't need his intervention. The formula is there. Ødegaard should be competing for his place with Zubi. He should no longer be treated as the most advanced midfield option because he's not going to occupy the places that we need that position to occupy to get the most out of our front line.

Spot on. Wrote something similar in the Eze thread but in my opinion Ødegaard has become the embodiment of Arteta's worst tendencies tactically as a manager while Eze is ostensibly the complete opposite. Anyone suggesting Ødegaard is a poor footballer is obviously smoking crack but he is just not a 10, especially not in a midfield with two defensive minded players next to him.

As you said his future is competing with Zubi and to his credit I could easily see Ødegaard becoming a top class deep playmaker type in the latter part of his career.

Double pivot of Rice/Ødegaard with Eze in front is very good on paper, especially if you allow Rice to bomb forward alongside Eze if you're playing a more false 9 type CF. Eze can focus on being an outlet in the tight spaces around the box while Rice can switch between staying in great shooting positions on the edge of the box and making runs in behind. Having Rice and Eze next to/in front of Ødegaard also goes a long way to solve Ødegaard being a timid Norwegian elf in transition.

 

[Batman]

Spot on. Wrote something similar in the Eze thread but in my opinion Ødegaard has become the embodiment of Arteta's worst tendencies tactically as a manager while Eze is ostensibly the complete opposite. Anyone suggesting Ødegaard is a poor footballer is obviously smoking crack but he is just not a 10, especially not in a midfield with two defensive minded players next to him.

As you said his future is competing with Zubi and to his credit I could easily see Ødegaard becoming a top class deep playmaker type in the latter part of his career.

Double pivot of Rice/Ødegaard with Eze in front is very good on paper, especially if you allow Rice to bomb forward alongside Eze if you're playing a more false 9 type CF. Eze can focus on being an outlet in the tight spaces around the box while Rice can switch between staying in great shooting positions on the edge of the box and making runs in behind. Having Rice and Eze next to/in front of Ødegaard also goes a long way to solve Ødegaard being a timid Norwegian elf in transition.

Agree totally about the bolded point. I think I said at some point in this thread or another one that he feels like an avatar of Arteta on the pitch trying extinguish risk at the expense of producing clear cut chances. He's got immense technical quality on the one foot that he's capable of using to be sure and if his mentality allows him then I think he could definitely thrive in a different role but he absolutely cannot play the role he's been playing the way he's been playing it and the team be successful. It simply won't happen, so I hope that Arteta is seeing what we are.

 

[Dokaka]

Agree totally about the bolded point. I think I said at some point in this thread or another one that he feels like an avatar of Arteta on the pitch trying extinguish risk at the expense of producing clear cut chances. He's got immense technical quality on the one foot that he's capable of using to be sure and if his mentality allows him then I think he could definitely thrive in a different role but he absolutely cannot play the role he's been playing the way he's been playing it and the team be successful. It simply won't happen, so I hope that Arteta is seeing what we are.

His eye for a pass is also second to none in the team if he lets go of the handbrake.

Some of the stuff he pulls off with Norway when he's got Haaland as an outlet is Fabregas-level passing:

The 2nd one in particular is absurd, can't find the alternate angle right now but he literally curls it around Kjær so it's just out of reach but perfectly lands at Haaland's feet.

 

[pigge]

His eye for a pass is also second to none in the team if he lets go of the handbrake.

Some of the stuff he pulls off with Norway when he's got Haaland as an outlet is Fabregas-level passing:

The 2nd one in particular is absurd, can't find the alternate angle right now but he literally curls it around Kjær so it's just out of reach but perfectly lands at Haaland's feet.

It's bit of a difference to have 5 minutes to think and act vs norway. You dont get that time in the prem/CL usually.

 

[Batman]

His eye for a pass is also second to none in the team if he lets go of the handbrake.

Some of the stuff he pulls off with Norway when he's got Haaland as an outlet is Fabregas-level passing:

The 2nd one in particular is absurd, can't find the alternate angle right now but he literally curls it around Kjær so it's just out of reach but perfectly lands at Haaland's feet.

Yet he won't attempt lower difficulty passes when they're on at this club. This is why I say that I would be open to seeing what he can do under another manager as well before totally writing him off because it' a case of Arteta either not being able to get him to do this for us or actively coaching him not to and neither is acceptable.

 

[Dokaka]

It's bit of a difference to have 5 minutes to think and act vs norway. You dont get that time in the prem/CL usually.

That's not the point though, just said his eye for a pass is elite, which it is. His problem isn't him not seeing the option - unlike someone like Rice - but rather his tendency to not go for it.

Whether that's on him personally or just him slavishly following the manager's instructions is beyond our knowledge.