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Martin Ødegaard: El Capitanø

berric

Established Member

Player:Trossard
Can't believe he's only 25. Won't be 26 until halfway through next season... Not close to his peak yet.
 

Riou

In The Winchester, Waiting For This To Blow Over

Country: Northern Ireland

Player:Gabriel
certainly in terms of final pass, or decision making, he’s not Cesc or Özil there.

No shame in that, very few in world football right now are at the level of those 2 at their peak...and only 1 in England, DeBruyne.

Still a great player is Ødegaard.
 

Heavy Duty Rom

Outdated Tweets Merchant
You can be a force without being equal to two of the best playmakers in football history.

Saying he's not Özil or Cesc is like a saying Saka isn't Robben. It's true, but why does it matter? Robben doesn't play anymore.
It matters because people are throwing stats around about how much he creates, when, if you watch our games, it’s not entirely true. He’s capable for sure, but at the moment, his final pass and decision making could be a fair bit better.
 

Dokaka

AM's resident Hammer
It matters because people are throwing stats around about how much he creates, when, if you watch our games, it’s not entirely true. He’s capable for sure, but at the moment, his final pass and decision making could be a fair bit better.

I mean, he creates tons of chances which is backed up by stats, so I'm not sure what bringing up two of the greatest playmakers of all time have to do with it? He's being compared to other current playmakers, and I'd definitely put him among the top of those.

Sure, he can improve. Players can always improve. But I'd struggle to name 3 current midfield creators better than him in terms of creating chances, which again is backed up by stats.
 

Trilly

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Country: England
He’s got it in him, but it’s very inconsistent.
Watching Ødegaard made me realise I took Özil for granted.

Not even a slight on Ødegaard but Özil made me think accurately playing and weighting the final pass was something any decent no10 should be able to do. The fact someone as talented as Ode struggles with it at times shows how good Özil was.

I don’t think Ødegaard is particularly creative though, he creates chances but if you know what I mean, you know what I mean.
 

Ash10

Chairman of the Bum Brigade
The problem is he's only delivered 4 assists all season.
It’s because the striker he plays with averages 8 goals per season, his backup being a championship level striker or Havertz... well we all know what he is
 

PrinzPoldi

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Country: USA

Player:Havertz
It’s because the striker he plays with averages 8 goals per season, his backup being a championship level striker or Havertz... well we all know what he is
don't forget Saka and Martinelli, both missing a lot of chances also, not just Jesus, Eddie and Kai.
 

Dennis10

Active Member
You can be a force without being equal to two of the best playmakers in football history.

Saying he's not Özil or Cesc is like a saying Saka isn't Robben. It's true, but why does it matter? Robben doesn't play anymore.
People are comparing 90 minutes of Ødegaard with compilations of Cesc and Øzil. I was a huge fan of both of them, but the things they could do better than Ødegaard were quite specific. I think just saying that they were "far superiour playmakers" is a broad statement anyone can make without analysing anything.

Øzil was a genius, but he needed to be allowed to wander. He needed space and several pasing options to really shine consistently. His genius is that he would always find the right pass in a crowded box, and he was ALWAYS prepared to pass the ball, even when he was lined up for a shot. Combine that with the previously mentioned ability to seemingly always pick out the right pass in the box, and you get some absolutely stunning assists.

Cesc's passing range was quite similar to Ødegaard in my opinion, but he was a better ball carrier and more press-resistant. He would turn people and make it look easy, and then he would somehow carry the ball at his limited pace, somehow without being tackled. Deceptively quick with the ball perhaps? I don't know, but you all remembered his solo goal against Tottenham.

Martin Ødegaard handles the ball quicker than both these legends. He's not smoother than any of them, but just notice how quick he is when he receives the ball on the half turn. A difficult skill to perform when the pass you receive is bouncing, and you have a defender close to you. He makes that turn look easy, and then he probably too often passes it on to Saka. You could want him to be more creative in those situations, but our movement is quite locked into our formation. Regardless, if he had had a striker with elite, incisive movements like van Persie, Kane or Haaland, I believe he would be even more effective.

I think Ødegaard's creativity and abilities as a playmaker is underrated by some fans, and that we would struggle to find anyone better suited to our team.
 

blaze_of_glory

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Country: Canada
Watching Ødegaard made me realise I took Özil for granted.

Not even a slight on Ødegaard but Özil made me think accurately playing and weighting the final pass was something any decent no10 should be able to do. The fact someone as talented as Ode struggles with it at times shows how good Özil was.

I don’t think Ødegaard is particularly creative though, he creates chances but if you know what I mean, you know what I mean.
People said the same thing about Özil's chance creation as they say about Ødegaard's though, in that the chances were dismissed as meaningless if they didn't become assists. Özil went through periods of the assists drying up but his chance creation remained pretty consistent if I recall. And people hated him for it.

The problem is he's only delivered 4 assists all season.
Assists require someone to finish the chance. Ødegaard is playing more through balls and creating more chances than anyone (in addition to his pressing, etc). The rest is up to the player receiving the ball, and we all know we have struggled to finish chances this season no matter who is creating them. Hell, Ødegaard has been missing a bunch himself!
 
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