Matteo Guendouzi: 2019/20 Performances

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by razörist, Aug 9, 2019.

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How much do you love Guendouzi?

  1. Very much

    35 vote(s)
    39.3%
  2. Très beaucoup

    42 vote(s)
    47.2%
  3. More than my mother

    12 vote(s)
    13.5%
  1. hydrofluoric acid

    hydrofluoric acid Prefers To Be Called Dennis

    Or maybe just a different opinion to yours?

    Why can't we discuss different opinions on football players without attacking people. Attention seekers, trolls or special needs. Is that really needed on here?
     
  2. drippin

    drippin Well-Known Member

    From 17.3.2019. I assume later he was a bit worse because of his first season in EPL and a lot of games. "He can't defend, he can't attack". :lol: Too obvious troll, but interesting stuff comes up in response of course.

    "By the numbers, the fact he completes 89.6% of his 57.42 attempted passes pg and makes just over eight passes into the final third pg at an 82.4% clip, plus completes 1.70 dribbles pg, 4.24 interceptions pg, 0.73 shot assists pg, 2.37 progressive runs pg, 0.9 key passes pg, 1.3 tackles pg, four ball recoveries pg, 5.3 lose ball picks ups pg and is fouled 2.17 times pg, illustrates his two-way output."

    https://www.givemesport.com/1460092...-plays-for-arsenal-shown-in-tactical-analysis
     
  3. drippin

    drippin Well-Known Member

    You think saying Guendouzi is B-Grade Elneny is not trolling? Or saying Guendouzi can't attack, can't defend, when stats say otherwise?

    This is clearly trolling, so calling it out is not attacking, but stating a fact. Do you think we need trolling here?
     
  4. hydrofluoric acid

    hydrofluoric acid Prefers To Be Called Dennis

    Maybe the guy rate Elneny more than Guendouzi. That is just his opinion, different opinions should be allowed on here without constant attacking instead of discussing football. Instead of calling it trolling you can tell him why you don't think Elneny is better than Guendouzi and try to change his opinion with civilized discussion, you can show him your stats to back up your opinion. If he disagree then just leave it. No need to fill every thread with calling people troll when they are talking pure football.

    I don't rate Elneny higher than Guendouzi. I think Elneny is one of the worst footballer we have signed. Guendouzi also is not a good at attacking, have yet to see it, very bad positionally, and sometime very slow in possession. As he is young he has time to develop further and improve. Hopefully it will come together for him. With that said I don't think Xhaka and Guendouzi is a good partnership. Might get away with it against Newcastle but I think better teams will exploit it later in the season.
     
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  5. drippin

    drippin Well-Known Member

    Yeah, well I have done that just above, and earlier also. He went on to troll with "Guendouzi can't attack, can't defend." to which I put up the numbers which show that is clear trolling. That is not talking "pure football", it's saying stuff that have no basis in reality. Those stats above "illustrate his two-way output", which means attacking and defending.

    B-Grade Elneny has no basis in reality either, even CIES shows his overall points was something like Guendouzi 78 vs Elneny 69, and that is only the last 1000 minutes.

    In some cases trolling is very clear, and here it has been shown in many messages already. Guendouzi is not perfect, but amazing prospect we got for cheap who keeps developing. This guy says we should give up on him after his 1st season in EPL. :rofl:
     
  6. arsenefc

    arsenefc Obsessed With Guendouzi

    Denilson was a much better player than this Doozi and Elneny did pretty much the same job Doozi does, and even managed to reach the opponents third, without a nosebleed. Milquetoast is correct as a description of Doozi, and if he didnt improve after a year of being indulged by his friend Emery, then that "potential" excuse doesnt wash. As for duels, Doozi cant duel for toffee. Watch how he is brushed aside by any decent attacker.

    So all you have is ability (which is supposed to be revealed once he develops further) and endeavour ( which means to run around like a headless chicken). Doozi is not of the level required and is a mediocre player who has reached his ceiling. Willock, AMN or the Jeff are much better players. Doozi was indulged because he follows the coach's instructions well and was the coach's man in the dressing room.

    He is being praised in a 1:0 win against Newcastle where he did nothing of note. The game was of low quality and the opposition were half-baked and we got gifted a goal by their error, but did little else. After watching that, I dont understand how anyone can think " that doozi sure ran the midfield and showed us what he has got "
     
  7. razörist

    razörist Soft With The Ladies, Hard With The Mes

    Hydro is a ****ing good poster when not on drugs.
     
  8. hydrofluoric acid

    hydrofluoric acid Prefers To Be Called Dennis

    Cheers mate! Been sober since 04/08/2019!
     
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  9. pigge

    pigge Wishes Wrestling Fans Liked Him

    Reached his ceiling? Jesus.
     
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  10. arsenefc

    arsenefc Obsessed With Guendouzi

    thanks though for hearing me out fairly. I dont want to further spoil this thread with negativity. Dont want to become one of those type of posters who haunt a xhaka or an Özil thread, sucking all the joy out of a football discussion.

    Will return to this thread when he does something outstanding, till then, carry on. Sorry for the previous posts if they hurt anyone.
     
  11. Fallout

    Fallout Well-Known Member

    i think every possession-based team needs a glue player who reliably brings the ball from from defense to offense. imo mateo is by far our best player in terms of executing these transitions. far better than someone like xhaka who is tasked exclusively with this role.

    he still has to improve off the ball (get stronger physically and more intelligent defensively), which are prerequisites for an elite deep lying midfielder. theres no reason to believe this task is unachievable for him.

    also, maybe controversially, i believe his lack of positional awareness is overstated on this forum.
     
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  12. razörist

    razörist Soft With The Ladies, Hard With The Mes

    Proud of you mate!
     
  13. The_Playmaker

    The_Playmaker Well-Known Member

    He has improved dramatically aerially. Last season he was Özil like in aerial challenges. He was actively jumping and competing for balls in the air and won a fair few. He looked more aerially dominant than Xhaka in the game.

    Alot of Guendouzi development will rest on his physical development. He has man legs but a boys upper body. Arsenal really need to develop him physically. Develop his upper body and focus on his power and agility. Unlikely you will increase his top speed, but his jump height and acceleration as well as changing direction can all be improved on. He needs a Rabiot transformation physically.
     
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  14. TromsoGooner

    TromsoGooner Well-Known Member

    Noticed the same thing. Hopefully, as you say, he will gain some more power. If he does that and also improves his positional play he could be a superb midfielder. Both things can be worked on and he seems like he the type who is willing to learn and work hard, so hopefully he will get the proper guidance.
     
  15. MutableEarth

    MutableEarth Bloody awesome NSFW avatars Trusted

    I think agility training will definitely help his interceptions aswell - sometimes when he's in possession he turns quite quickly but when he is in a defensive transition situation he is quite slow, almost as if he has no idea what's happening beyond his scope of vision. A combination of agility and some drills focusing on that awareness and positioning would improve him tenfold.
     
  16. rich 1990

    rich 1990 Men's Rights Activist

    Tbf, attention seeking or troll is hardly slander. Calling someone special needs, however, is ignorant on a level beyond belief.
     
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  17. DJ_Markstar

    DJ_Markstar Well-Known Member

    Guendouzi bad positionally :lol: Guendouzi/Xhaka bad partnership :lol:give it a rest, lad.
     
  18. DJ_Markstar

    DJ_Markstar Well-Known Member

    I forgot you had to dominate games that you didn't play in in order to show your midfield dominance o_O

    Its such a strange criticism - oh he did really well against poor opposition! Bench him! Would you prefer he was ****?
     
  19. hydrofluoric acid

    hydrofluoric acid Prefers To Be Called Dennis

    Meant to say he is terrible positionally.

    Xhaka - Guendouzi partnership is then very bad IMO. Lack balance and both can't defend. I rather see Torreira there with either one of them and I'm not even fan of Torreira either.
     
  20. DJ_Markstar

    DJ_Markstar Well-Known Member

    Do you rate any of our midfielders? Would you prefer we go with a Jeff/Willock/AMN midfield 3?
     

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