Merci Arsène

Discussion in 'Arsenal History' started by kraphtous, Apr 20, 2018.

  1. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Policing Emery's English Skills

    Yes but they were bought for twice the price of Wenger’s players. And just saying they were a bunch of clowns doesn’t make it so.

    RVP at their head was far from a clown and a golden boot winner that year. Players like Jonny Evans may have been moved on but at every club he’s been a top professional and one of their best players. DeGea was a massive upgrade for them. Kagawa, Valencia, Rooney, Giggs, Evra, Hanandez were all getting on the scoresheet.

    More glib narrative sh*te made up at the time to put Wenger down, sorry mate. :lol:
     
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  2. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Policing Emery's English Skills

    There’s so many holes in that, I don’t even know where to start. Remind me about Alex Song as a defensive midfielder we were missing for a decade.

    No doubt Arsène was an attacking manager, a style manager. That’s what everybody loved about him, Prime Wengerball was a thing of beauty. And yes he never had the money to fill every position with quality like Klopp recently and Pep.

    But he did his thing anyway. Sometimes with teams that had more holes than a colander. And any players he developed were constantly being snaffled by teams like Barca, City, Chelsea and United, all the way through his tenure.

    Yet he maintained an incredibly consistently high level in the Premier League, spending less than some of the bottom clubs. And yes, very occasionally he got a drubbing by the rich clubs but overall his record against them was pretty even, something he had no right to achieve with his spend.
     
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  3. Jury

    Jury Mission Accomplished

    :lol: You’re glorifying total sh!thouses.
     
  4. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Policing Emery's English Skills

    You’re right, good job we sold RVP, total sh!thouse for them and didn’t diminish us at all. :lol:

    Keep believing it lad.
     
  5. arsenefc

    arsenefc Obsessed With Guendouzi

    RVP, Cesc, Nasri . That sort of trio doesnt happen easily. For a few moments we believed.
     
  6. Kobi

    Kobi I Know Who You Are

    Alex Song made Ramsey look like Claude Makelele, he was always in the number ten position trying chipped passes over the top to Van Persie.
    I'm not trying to bash Wenger, I love the guy and I'm with you on alot of what you say but Alex Song is actually a good example, he was supposed to be a defensive midfielder but he just did what he wanted, that was a big strength (and weakness) of Wenger's philosophy.
    He just wasn't that big on tactics like a Guardiola or a Mourinho, pretty sure Henry has said as much, he was more of a Kevin Keegan 'just go and play' type.
     
  7. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Policing Emery's English Skills

    You think a guy can stay in the top 4 of the most difficult league in the world, for 20 years on his spend, with ‘just go and play tactics’?

    I’m out bro.
     
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  8. hydrofluoric acid

    hydrofluoric acid Easily Triggered

  9. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Protector of RonaldoMadness

    Bet Saliba and Guendouzi are wishing Wenger was still here.
     
  10. Kobi

    Kobi I Know Who You Are

    If you're going to take everything literally then it's probably best.
     
  11. OneAW!

    OneAW! Active Member

    So you admit Wenger's tactics are complex and actually need a high degree of tactical acumen to pull off?
     
  12. hydrofluoric acid

    hydrofluoric acid Easily Triggered

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    Merci Wenger
     
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  13. Jury

    Jury Mission Accomplished

    None of us here know anything about Wenger's tactics. None of us here were ever privy to what he ever told the players. I always find this discussion akin to something you'd read on a Bigfoot forum.

    Wenger fluffer: "He was good at da tactics... they were complex!..."
    Anti-Christ: "No... we didn't even do da tactics..."
     
  14. Tir Na Nog

    Tir Na Nog In Big Trouble If He Speaks

    I don't know the full complexity of his tactics but they were very idealistic in a sense that it required both players of supreme technical qualities and high football intelligence, while also seemingly requiring players of the Vieira ilk to problem solve themselves on the pitch for his philosophy to work to the extent it did from 97-05. Basically constant movement, third man runs, quick passing.

    I think it's also fair to say that most of his tactics were assuming that his team would be on the front foot most of the time or at least that they'd get the ball quickly from the opposition and that we never really prepared for what happens when the opposition bypasses our press, hits us on the counter or has us penned in.
     
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  15. Tir Na Nog

    Tir Na Nog In Big Trouble If He Speaks

    You could also say that when someone like Mourinho came in and had no problem dealing with Wengers tactics, that he wasn't really able to adapt. Even Fergie ended up having the same approach to games vs us for years where they'd have a set tactic and most of the time it usually worked. Benitez to a much lesser extent. Then you could say when Klopp and Pochettino came in both immediately seemed to be able to get the better of Wenger.

    Football is ever evolving and even with the likes of Alexis, Ramsey, Özil, Cazorla at his disposal Wenger in the end was failing to adapt to the way modern football was going. You can even say someone like Mourinho has fallen behind now too, that's just the way these things go. Pep has had so many problems against Sp**s and Liverpool too. It's very rare that you see someone like Ferguson able to stay so successful and able to adapt for so long, even then you could say him getting out in 2013 was the right time because he managed to get out before Pep came to the PL, before Klopp, before Poch went to Sp**s.
     
  16. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mr. Agreeable

    Basically you need to spend well... Fergie always spent and you're right he got out just before City had their final puzzle pieces. Liverpool have worked wonders in the market and Sp**s have done well there too.
     
  17. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Policing Emery's English Skills

    Wenger fluffer? Your vocabulary is so wide and varied man. Had to look that up: one who arouses male pornographic actors before filming.

    I’m guessing you got this from frequenting your big ‘foot’ forum? :lol:
     
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  18. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Policing Emery's English Skills

    Watching attacking Liverpool this season you can see that even against the lower sides, teams occasionally bypass their press either with the long ball or by clever wing play. But the difference this season is that their defence has mopped everything up with aplomb.

    He hasn’t been able to do that in previous years and that’s what’s made a 20 point difference between 75 and 97points. That’s what a £720m squad gets you.

    Imagine if he’d had Mustafi, Djourou, Squillaci, Santos, Cygan, Senderos, and all the other defensive dross we’ve had. Wenger could have changed his tactics to accommodate the holes in our team, but he was uncompromising and we achieved higher stats because of it.
     
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  19. hydrofluoric acid

    hydrofluoric acid Easily Triggered

    Arsenal was the first English side to defeat Real Madrid and Juventus away from home. The club was also the first to win against both Milanese teams: Internazionale and Milan at the San Siro. Goalkeeper Jens Lehmann kept ten consecutive clean sheets in the run-in to the 2006 UEFA Champions League Final; the defence went 995 minutes until conceding a goal.

    Without tactics. Yikes.

    Merci Wenger
     
  20. Jury

    Jury Mission Accomplished

    I'm sure I've read countless times that the he relied heavily on player intelligence and problem solving.. I think it was Keown or Adams who said Wenger wasn't big on tactics, and basically relied on the players to perform well enough to impose their quality and 'instructions', which was, as you say, passing and movement; just execute what they were best at. And they were the best at it. If that's all true I've no problem with that, because it worked a lot of the time. There were times when it looked to require for a bit more, though. That plan A was some plan A when it worked. We just lacked a bit of flexibility... or discipline? They had such big balls, they probably ignored him a lot of the time.
     
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