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I find it fascinating that you need somebody to blame for Wenger being sacked, and pick out those two... It’s beyond funny and just fascinating now. And then there’s the fact that you are forgetting that you also wanted him gone which, irrespective of who you think helped push him out, is exactly what you’ve got.
Its exactly what you wanted, and got
Good managers who can implement what they want and get their messages across in training shouldnt need to be barking orders all the time. Again I seen Willock looking towards the bench to see if he was being told to press or not.
Players are sick of the barking on the bench. Arteta is taking the fun out of the game. He is worse than Emery and he has lost the dressing room.
I think his decision to omit Özil has been a huge factor in them turning against him.
It’s quite disturbing to think a man would happily see a battle weary pensioner who’d given so much already, make himself physically ill and risk an early death just so they could win an argument on the internet.If he could @Makingtrax would still have Wenger here well into his 80's. The kid seems to be so oblivious to the fact that Arsène was actually quite an older gentlemen. Things had to change at some point.
If he could @Makingtrax would still have Wenger here well into his 80's. The kid seems to be so oblivious to the fact that Arsène was actually quite an older gentlemen. Things had to change at some point.
After sleeping on things I realise that any manager with this group of players is going to suffer. And until all those players are gone you can't truly start a rebuild. Arteta will be a good manager, but this is probably the hardest job you can take as a first ever job in management.
We've seen that he can implement what he wants, this is the problem. Not many managers would be able to go into training with Mustafi, Sok, Kolasinac, Xhaka, Laca and co still there and build something. I mean whats the point, Mikel may as well leave now if most of those names are going to be here next summer.
Blame the manager constantly all you want, but he actually started to turn this dire group into something fairly respectable.
Only idiots would think a team spending 5th getting continuous top 4 was a sackable offence. Particularly as the manager’s huge wealth of experience and guile was the only thing between clueless owners and mid table obscurityI find it fascinating that you need somebody to blame for Wenger being sacked, and pick out those two... It’s beyond funny and just fascinating now. And then there’s the fact that you are forgetting that you also wanted him gone which, irrespective of who you think helped push him out, is exactly what you’ve got.
Its exactly what you wanted, and got
Only idiots would think a team spending 5th getting continuous top 4 was a sackable offence. Particularly as the manager’s huge wealth of experience and guile was the only thing between clueless owners and mid table obscurity
I tried my best to explain it on here, but nobody would listen. You all got caught up in the hype. “Any manager could get could top 4 with Arsenal”
And you some like you and @HairSprayGooners still believe all that nonsense about decline. This is what decline really looks like.
We've had this convo so many times, you always shy away from my main question.
Arsène Wenger was working miracles when he couldn't spend much money. We were spending way less than everyone else, agreed.
So how come when he started spending good money did he decline? Surely, by your logic, we should've started fighting for the title when the club allowed Arsène to spend £150M between 13-15. So what happened?
He got second in 2015.
That’s what happened.
The decline was in your head. This is what real decline looks like not 4th to 3rd to 2nd . . Oh let’s sack the manager!We've had this convo so many times, you always shy away from my main question.
Arsène Wenger was working miracles when he couldn't spend much money. We were spending way less than everyone else, agreed.
So how come when he started spending good money did he decline? Surely, by your logic, we should've started fighting for the title when the club allowed Arsène to spend £150M between 13-15. So what happened?
The decline was in your head. This is what real decline looks like not 4th to 3rd to 2nd . . Oh let’s sack the manager!
So you're telling me in 2015, after signing Alexis Sanchez and co, spending £107M. Its acceptable to go from 75 points to 71, roll into second because Sp**s bottled the final games and finish TEN, yes TEN points behind Leicester?
Surely anyone with a decent enough brain can see that spending £107M after finishing on 75 points in the season before should lead to a higher point tally? In fact looking at it that way its embarrassing that Arsène didn't win the title that season ahead of Leicester after spending £107M.
I’ve answered your question multiple times. There was no decline up to 2015/16. The decline started after the fan campaign to remove the manager.@Makingtrax Once again you didn't answer my question... waiting.
You asked a question, I answered it. No need to get your panties all In a bunch.
Secondly you are evidently trolling because every top 6 team stunk out the league that year. City, Chelsea, Man U all spent millions more than we did and came below us with less points!
So that makes your argument irrelevant. That was just a freak year that had everything fall in place for Leicester. Sometimes you just have to accept somethings in life and move on.
Thirdly we got Sanchez in 2014 not 2015. Özil came in 2013. The build and spending by Wenger was spread out over those few seasons. It’s not like he had it all at once and it’s not like he was dumb enough to spend 72m on Pepe like the current regime. Anyway I’m not going to get drawn into your circular arguments as I’ve been there before.
I showed you that your argument did not hold up.Having an opinion giving factual evidence is now deemed as trolling because @Kav disagrees with well thought out points against his beloved Wenger. Brilliant mate.
The thing is you didn't really answer my question at all. And this is for @Makingtrax as well. From when we started spending we started dropping points, points are a more important indicator than league position. Other teams around us can have bad seasons going through many different managers leading to lower league position.
Point tally is a good indicator because it'll show an improvement. When Arsène started spending good money to improve the team he could never manage over 80 points, that in itself is a decline.
I showed you that your argument did not hold up.
We spend money in 2013 and 2014.
our results improved yet you want to deny this fact. We came in 3 in 2014/15 then got second 2015/16. Those are improvement and you want to ignore them because they do not suit your argument about a decline.
Had you been an honest person you would have said yes we improved our league position during those years you mentioned Kav but the in 2016/17 and 2017/18 we fell down how do you explain this?
However you’ve shown yourself as a disingenuous posters so I refuse to be drawn into an argument with you when you do blatantly deny facts that happened because they do not suit you.
I and other posters have explained this to you. We did not decline on points. Arsenal maintained a 73 point average all the way through the stadium build. 2 of the last three years above average.Having an opinion giving factual evidence is now deemed as trolling because @Kav disagrees with well thought out points against his beloved Wenger. Brilliant mate.
The thing is you didn't really answer my question at all. And this is for @Makingtrax as well. From when we started spending we started dropping points, points are a more important indicator than league position. Other teams around us can have bad seasons going through many different managers leading to lower league position.
Point tally is a good indicator because it'll show an improvement. When Arsène started spending good money to improve the team he could never manage over 80 points, that in itself is a decline.
I and other posters have explained this to you. We did not decline on points. Arsenal maintained a 73 point average all the way through the stadium build. 2 of the last three years above average.