Mesut Özil: 2019/20 Performances

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by razörist, Aug 9, 2019.


Why Isn't Özil Playing?

  1. Simple. Isn’t played for tactical reasons.

  2. Simple. Isn’t played because he isn’t good enough

  3. Falling out with Arteta for some reason

  4. Being frozen out in an effort to get him to leave. Arteta’s hands are tied

  5. Because he didn't take a pay-cut

  6. Personal reasons

  1. lomekian

    lomekian Well-Known Member

    It is quite fun to be able to say that Matt Smith has got more medals than Sp**s in a decade or the likes of Kane, Alli etc in their careers without playing a minute of professional football
  2. gunner4lyfe

    gunner4lyfe Well-Known Member

    Ummm....Arteta hasn't said anything negative about Özil though. No matter how many times the media tries to spin it. You are assuming he was told he wont feature because of instructions from upstairs. Are you at the training sessions? What if his attitude is poor and he's not doing what is asked of him. He's training but is he training up to the manager's standards?
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  3. Jimmy282304

    Jimmy282304 Member

    He's not leaching, he has a contract and it's getting paid what was agreed. If he's available to play and they blocking him then that's on the club. My job told me to take paid time off, I'm not goin to argue
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  4. Manberg

    Manberg Predator

    He performed for a contract and stopped performing after getting it. A contract demands something in return. Özil hasn’t provided that. He’s not worked for the badge and shows little effort. Any sane Arsenal fan can see that.

    What I don’t get is why so many defend him. Are you a fan of Özil and not of Arsenal? Do players have such devoted fans that they follow them wherever they go?
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  5. City_Skyblue

    City_Skyblue Member

    Emery lost the job by re-instating Özil. Arteta always knew it was a sensitive situation when he came in, he can't drop Özil instantly and turn against a significant section of the fan-base before winning over them, of course he was going to say nice things about him to media.

    He first gave him some good run of games in which Özil didn't have much impact, after lock-down the fitness of other squad players may have drastically improved which meant it was right time to push him out. I saw the initial run of games under Arteta, Özil was doing the bare minimum and Arsenal fans were raving about him like he had put KDBesque performances. There were at least 5 players in each of those games who had a better game than him.

    Literally everyone except his fanboys knew he would struggle under Arteta too, the game has moved beyond him and he won't start for any team in the PL. He plays in a dead role, one dimensional, one footed, passive for large periods of the game, no weaker foot, can't press, shoot, dribble, hold the ball, draw fouls or even win headers.

    Özil's brainwashing is on another level, his fanboys will defend him if he burns their house down. Why would Arteta not play him if Özil makes the team better and can finish higher up the table, he cares more about his career than having some personal grudge on Özil. His fanboys will ignore 1000 proofs that he is finished, but they will cling on to some random quote Arteta made when journalists asked about Özil. Did you really expect him to come and say 'He's sh*t and a social media fraud' ?

    Truth will come out once he leaves, if they tell it now not even one buyer will come for him.
    Last edited: Aug 2, 2020 at 5:38 AM
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  6. dka91

    dka91 Well-Known Member

    Yeah I've tried to give him the benefit of the doubt for a long time but I've personally given up on him @ Arsenal.

    It's clear that something happened over the break and I don't think it has much to do with the pay cut or the board pressuring Mikel.

    Why? Because do you honestly, really think Arteta would stop using a player that could be instrumental in the way he wants to play just because the board want him to?

    At the most what's probably happened is that his views align with the board at the moment and it's probably to do with attitude; whether Özil didn't apply himself during the break or something similar, given examples of AMN and Guendouzi.

    We speculated for so long about AMN but in the end it came down to simple discipline and so it's probably the same here, sometimes the easiest answer really is just the answer.
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  7. Football Manager

    Football Manager Broken Record

    Attitude problem? Another ridiculous excuse. Face it, Özil is done because he is just not good enough. The post above from City_Skyblue has explained to you what you need to know.
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  8. dka91

    dka91 Well-Known Member

    I was more referring to why he's been left out of the squad after the break despite playing almost every game before under Arteta tbh, maybe I didn't make that obvious enough in my post.

    As to whether or not he's good enough, well he's declined that's for sure (and the numbers bear this out), but I'd suspect that Arteta would prefer to have him in the squad rather than not if all else were fine.
  9. Football Manager

    Football Manager Broken Record

    It’s not something happened over the break.

    Özil has always been poor and no one in the PL side would want a limited, can’t press, can’t dribble, can’t hold the ball, one dimensional player who is just good in final third, not contributing in the build up phase/defensive phase of the game.

    In the past when he first joined, his weaknesses are already very clear and bad. And at the time I already don’t like his way of playing. But as tactics evolves gradually in the past 10 years, his weaknesses are exposed even more and more. Which makes him looks even worse despite being the same player.

    In this tactically detail orientated era, Özil is a huge tactical liability. He can only operates well in one phase of the game (in the final third). And if our team are struggling to get into the final third, he won’t contribute to help our team progressing into this phase. His problem is far from just defending.

    These weaknesses of Özil was always there. Even if todays Özil is the same Özil 5 years ago, he will still be out of Arteta’s plan.

    Since tactics has started to become more and more complex in the early 2010, there will only be one fate of these kind of players.

    (I'm not talking about other #10. Most of them have the dribbling ability and they always helping the team in general play, which makes them still very useful players in todays game. I'm talking about players who focus on just one phase of the game, failing to contribute in other phases.)

    Some articles portraits Özil as a victim of traditional #10 in modern football. His fans like to make excuses for him: “It’s the player type that is not suitable anymore in modern football. It’s not Özil to be blamed.”

    But this is just not true.

    Özil is very different to most #10. Most #10 are not just final third players, they can dribble in tight space for fun, and they involved heavily in the general play. Özil is so unique/limited that he only has himself to blame for not making it in modern football.
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  10. dka91

    dka91 Well-Known Member

    I'm not really talking about his ability (which is a separate conversation) I should add.

    I'm talking about the fact that he started most of his games with Arteta (which signified an importance to Arteta atleast) before the break and has started a sum total of 0 after.

    Which is what my original post was referring to and how it's an attitude issue and not a problem with his pay or the board interference.
    Last edited: Aug 2, 2020 at 6:07 AM
  11. Hunta

    Hunta NOT In A Caravan Trusted

    I guess whatever it is will come out in the next week or two. Raul will push to get rid, it’s gonna be nasty.
  12. City_Skyblue

    City_Skyblue Member

    This is the thing with Özil, having watched him from the Madrid days and thought he was overrated, my piss boiled whenever some gooners tried to hype him up. Now they are comparing 'prime Özil' with KDB and give excuses for the quality surrounding him.

    My point is, if that's the case what's stopping from at least being the best man on the pitch ?
    When the team is poor, he is one of the worst players on the pitch, when the team is good he is not even the best player on the pitch. Even in Madrid he was rarely the best player in a game, someone else would have had an amazing game and Özil raked up the assists. Unlike world class players, he is incapable of stand-out performances on is own which is why he should never be put along all-time greats of the game.

    Jack Grealish is levels above anyone in that Villa team and it's there for everyone to see, don't see anyone saying he needs a DM and pacy wingers.
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  13. DanDare

    DanDare Emoji Merchant

    Just a shame how his Arsenal career has ended. Clearly his head isn't as in football as it once was.

    He was disrespectful to Emery, wonder what he's been like since Arteta joined. I back Arteta with the pay cut thing, it would have showed solidarity. If Auba was happy to do it (similar age) then he should.

    It was his right and choice not to but I think it's fine in a team game for there to be repercussions for that choice
    Last edited: Aug 2, 2020 at 9:11 AM
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  14. Oxeki

    Oxeki New Thread Merchant

    Özil has not declined FFS. All I see is the same player from 6-7 years. The game has just passed him by.

    That's all
  15. Get These Hands

    Get These Hands Off of my purse !

    Burned the last of his bridges here when he refused a pay cut like the rest of the squad.

    Make him train with the under-13s. Can't wait for this poison to finally leave the club.
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  16. Camron

    Camron Established Member

  17. Hunta

    Hunta NOT In A Caravan Trusted

    Ffs :rofl:
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  18. field442

    field442 Hates Journalists Named James

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  19. musoke

    musoke Well-Known Member

    Özil has never been a MOTM in any of our FA CUP FINALS.
    He was just very good like everyone in the last one against Chelsea.
    And 2 or 3 players were better than him in that final too.
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  20. musoke

    musoke Well-Known Member

    Omg. Özil fans come up with the most cringeworthy statements.
    The countless excuses they have made for him since he moved here have been exposed and now you are talking about how “He is the most recognisable player internationally?”
    So Özil being recognisable internationally does what for us on that pitch? What has it done for us as a club since he has been here?
    It’s a weird thing to highlight.

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