Mesut Özil: 2019/20 Performances

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by razörist, Aug 9, 2019.

  1. drippin

    drippin Well-Known Member

    Those games he has played. I think other players for same positions have been quite similar performers.
     
  2. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mr. Agreeable

    I disagree. We've seen very up and down performances in that position and actually Özil has been the least erratic of the lot. As I mentioned before, not brilliant but not crap either. Given that he has seen limited time one could argue he hasn't had time to grow into the season at all. Almost as if the manager is keeping him from getting up to date in terms of match fitness so he can point out and say "Look, Özil isn't match fit and it's just about November"

    TBF< it would be "Gud ebening, Özil dsjdsfnjha njhsbdhsbadhl, November, JSJhksjnbfk fitness"
     
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  3. freeglennhelder2

    freeglennhelder2 Well-Known Member

    Didn’t take your word for it famblud. Looked through the thread. I have 9 (quality) posts in the last 200. :lol::lol::lol:
     
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  4. scytheavatar

    scytheavatar Well-Known Member

    Özil has played plenty of games last season where he's "not been very good"......... no one in his right mind can say Özil hasn't been given enough chances to prove himself. It is not clear to me why Özil deserve praises for just creating a few chances every match, we know he's capable of doing that. We need him to do more than that and unfortunately there's little evidence he sees the need to step up and evolve as a player.
     
  5. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mr. Agreeable

    There isn't a player alive who hasn't had a bad season. Özil has been very underwhelming in his time here, on that we agree, but just writing the player off when others in the position haven't exactly set the world alight is a bit silly methinks.
     
  6. drippin

    drippin Well-Known Member

    I didn't say he has been crap either. In my view Willock and Ceballos have put out similar performances as Özil. Ceballos **** against Liverpool, but was it Burnley match MotM that evens it out.

    From the one EPL game Özil seems to have 0 defensive stats, like tackles or interceptions etc.

    Anyway my point still stands that likely an unhappy perfectionist who has been used to play no matter what, is not as good option for the bench as someone like Willock who is very eager to show what he's got.

    This when both players output is pretty similar and other one is 10 years younger Hale End bloke.

    I'm really not fond of that kind of conspiracy theory when Emery has Raul's and Mertesacker's backup in this case, while it's obvious Emery cannot dismiss a star player like Özil without no basis for it. Even Özil is okay with it.

    (I have repeated this many times, but things keep popping up while no one acknowledges it.)
     
  7. scytheavatar

    scytheavatar Well-Known Member

    Others in the position aren't paid 350k per week......
     
  8. Jackie_Treehorn

    Jackie_Treehorn Well-Known Member

    After reading these latest interviews, taking everything said with a grain of salt...I’m considering the very real possibility that Mesut was severely shaken by the incidents this summer, prioritized his and his wife’s safety, ended up training poorly and out of match fitness, and is now recovering fully. I hope to see the best of him still.
     
  9. samshere

    samshere Why so serieuse?

    His salary isn't a reflection of his current form, rather his form when he signed the contract, and the situation the club were in that they had to bend over backwards to accomodate him.
     
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  10. drippin

    drippin Well-Known Member

    You suggest he is not a superman who can remain totally unaffected after a life-threatening incident towards him and his wife?

    It happened just before the season start, and it has been two months now. This is why the fitness thing can affect, even if he came to train early this season.

    So I hope and even believe the same, that he can make a good comeback still. From Emery's comments it seems things are looking a lot better.

    I'm wondering a bit why the hell didn't Özil hit the moped guy with his car. I would have hit him to get out, it's self defence. Who cares about a robber's broken leg or other injury.
     
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  11. scytheavatar

    scytheavatar Well-Known Member

    Irrelevant, all that should matter is that right now not getting 350k per week of performance out of Özil is a millstone around our neck that's dragging us down. We simply cannot afford to waste a big chunk of wages on an underperforming player, if Özil can't make himself good enough to justify his wages then we need to get rid of him by hook or by crook. We can invest his wages on someone like Willock or Ceballos who while not as good as Özil right now has the potential to surpass him with time.
     
  12. samshere

    samshere Why so serieuse?

    His salary is irrelevant, its a sunk cost. There's a good player in there and we should make use of him if we can.
     
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  13. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Wrong, but rarely

    No he hasn’t, he’s been good and at times excellent.
     
  14. hydrofluoric acid

    hydrofluoric acid Easily Triggered

    Top player. Hope he doesn't give a single penny back to the club.

    Just focus on your swing and have nice time on 350k per week playing golf!
     
  15. bingobob

    bingobob Fan of Technicians Who Show Great Character

    I'd like to think we are all on the side of Arsenal but surely recognise the reality of the situation. If Arsenal under perform Özil wont get sacked Emery might he has to ensure he gets it right in his mind. The players have to meet his standard

    It's not about like or dislike but ultimately understanding Emery calls the shots no matter how much we may agree or disagree, and I'm sure there are more than not we disagree with I.e. Xhaka.
     
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  16. Divided_Pie

    Divided_Pie Well-Known Member

    Emery doesn’t call the shots, according to this thread. Raul, Edu, Josh, etc have given him a directive to freeze Özil out, because surely Emery wouldn’t make this decision in isolation. Also, Emery didn’t choose Xhaka as his captain, the players did. So don’t blame Emery for that either.
     
  17. drippin

    drippin Well-Known Member

    Who has said that? :)

    Emery doesn't get the final call on transfers in my opinion, and he has bosses. The management group call the shots together, with everyone having their own special area. Emery is responsible for football results close to the team. Because of that decides the most who plays, tactics etc.

    Does this sound correct? It's part of how I currently view it.
     
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  18. Token Yank

    Token Yank Well-Known Member

    He also had games last year where he was dominate and/or delivered the one spectacular moment that won us the match. On a team that struggles to create chances and leaks goals for fun anyway, he should be starting every game. His offensive output/potential is worth the defensive short comings. Also he is a 10. Meanwhile the Spanish Tony Pullis persists with a 6 who can’t defend and also gifts the other team goals. Actually, he not only persists with him, he named him his captain. Our tactics now are playing a midget DM as a 10, hitting speculative long balls to Auba, and having an isolated Pepe try to dribble past 3 guys. Meanwhile, Mr Anti Football hard ass, Mourinho names Özil to his all time 11 and supposedly Simone was interested in signing Özil last January. Emery is the problem. He is a moron. I will stand by Özil.
     
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  19. Divided_Pie

    Divided_Pie Well-Known Member

    when/where was this?
     
  20. Token Yank

    Token Yank Well-Known Member

    Saw it a couple years back. Will try to track down.

    Was probably drunk at the time I first read this. It’s not him naming his all time team but what the journo’s think his all time team is. It still mentions a quote that Özil was the best 10 he has ever worked with (I doubt Lingard will change that opinion).

    https://metro.co.uk/2016/05/24/jose...mesut-Özil-alongside-chelsea-legends-5901157/
     
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