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Mesut Özil: These Öz Ain't Loyal

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by razörist, Aug 18, 2020.

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Why do you believe he's been left out?

  1. Just football reasons

  2. Criticism of China

  3. Paycut refusal

  4. A bit of everything

  5. Mods should ban kash2 from the thread

  6. Mods should ban Oxeki and Jury from the forum

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  1. RandomHero84

    RandomHero84 Well-Known Member

    If it's a football decision, it's one that should be questioned. I'm pretty done with this now, but tbh there is no way anyone can tell me that Mesut Özil, even now, is not one of the 25 most useful players at this club.

    On the whole I really dislike how the club has handled this. We love a sideshow.
     
  2. Blood on the Tracks

    Blood on the Tracks Well-Known Member

    I feel this all comes back to Arteta's 'Non-negotiables.'

    There's no reason even to be talking about whether Özil is talented enough as a footballer to be in the 25 man squad, no-ones denying he is. But that's not the point.

    Arteta set his stall out in his first press conference as to what he demanded from his players in terms of effort and commitment. Özil obviously hasn't been meeting the required standards for some time, hence he didn't make the squad and hasn't played for ages. It's not rocket science.

    He's lacking in effort and /or commitment, not talent. And that sentence basically sums up the last 3 years of his career.
     
  3. CaseUteinberger

    CaseUteinberger Cazorla (not Carzola ffs)

    When I read his bum squad posts I always have to think about the sheep bleating in Animal Farm: "Two Legs Good, Four Legs Bad." Bleating the same regardless of situation. ;)
     
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  4. CaseUteinberger

    CaseUteinberger Cazorla (not Carzola ffs)

    Indeed it isn't. Think you have it spot on. Not sure why we are debating... Arteta has been super clear and if you cannot hear it, it is because you do not want to hear.
     
  5. kash2

    kash2 Obsessed With Jury

    go back to oinking for my attention in the xhaka thread .. have some shame and pride in your trolling and learn to take "banter"
     
  6. Red London

    Red London Well-Known Member

    It does seem to add up doesnt it. The reputation Özil had and what many fans thought (and previous manager despite how poor Emery was) is seeming to be true right now.

    I think Arteta is tryna execute a culture change here, so I think thats at play with the Özil situation as well as the wage cut/bonuses issue.
     
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2020
  7. CaseUteinberger

    CaseUteinberger Cazorla (not Carzola ffs)

    :lol:

    You really are in a good mood, aren't you? Cheer up lad! ;)
     
  8. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Dissociating

    I’m not an Özil fan though? I’m an Arsenal fan. I like and respect Özil because he gave my club some very good years. I’ll forget him when he’s gone.

    I heard the same about Wenger, “you’re a Wenger fan”, no I’m an Arsenal fan and Wenger gave us 22 years so I’ll always fight his corner. Now he’s not here I’m not buying his autobiography or watching his interviews like most of you guys.

    You ignored my point too though, we’re just a business that belongs to Stan now. We’re not the historical, magical, Arsenal we once were, those values and principles have declined. I don’t know this club anymore.
     
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  9. Rasmi

    Rasmi Well-Known Member

    Stats are so misleading. No sane person who has watched Özil and Nelson think Nelson can contribute more. He is not gonna make it here.
     
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  10. Rasmi

    Rasmi Well-Known Member

    The magical Arsenal was always a myth. The club has always had good media relations which they used to spread good pr. Look at the prices our fans used to pay for years to watch the team.
     
  11. CaseUteinberger

    CaseUteinberger Cazorla (not Carzola ffs)

    Don't think Arteta should or could have handled the Özil situation any better than he has. Hopefully we can offload Özil in January in some way and if not he sits here until June next year. Maybe he can go to Tottenham? I have heard that Mourinho values him... ;)

    If there is any fault to be found in this situation it sits with Özil, but we have been through that enough.
     
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  12. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Dissociating

    What glory? When I was spending money going to the Emirates we stopped winning major trophies, stopped competing for major trophies, stopped signing top players etc.

    What is “the club” also? I don’t think it exists. It’s a cold business with no souls owned by some American who doesn’t care or know anything about the club.
     
  13. Brett

    Brett Active Member

    Not only values and principles even our standing has declined miserably since Stan. We are not even a top 6 team anymore.
    I don't like the lack of transparency from the Club about Mesut.
     
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  14. RandomHero84

    RandomHero84 Well-Known Member

    It's baffling to me that people honestly believe it's for purely football reasons.

    Magic beans stuff.
     
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  15. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Dissociating

    Highbury wasn’t a myth, that was magic. Dein bringing Wenger, who then found loads of young players and unknown players who then dominated English football, that was magic. “The Arsenal way” that existed before Wenger.

    No matter what Arsenal do everything with class, the red and white shirt means something. It’s more than a football club. History, tradition, respect, values etc. It’s ALL GONE now.

    Arsenal was magic.
     
  16. CaseUteinberger

    CaseUteinberger Cazorla (not Carzola ffs)

    Honestly not to pick a fight: If you are this down on Arsenal why are you even bothering? Honestly and not in a negative way, but shouldn't you try to find a different team or sport to follow that you feel has more heart or is more of a club? Or just give the whole thing a break and come back once you have recovered some good vibes about Arsenal.

    Also, don't forget that we won the FA Cup just a couple of months ago! That was great, wasn't it?
     
  17. Red London

    Red London Well-Known Member

    Welcome to any multi billion pound industry.
     
  18. squallman

    squallman Still Pining for Wenger

    If this was a footballing decision, then Mesut must be downright awful in training.

    The longer the team lacks creativity, the longer this decision will be questioned.

    Is every player in the squad more valuable than Özil? I always wondered why the club didn't just give Özil enough rope to hang himself. That's what clubs normally do. Play a player who you think isn't good enough, let him stink the place out and then the fans won't ask for him to be in the team.

    Özil's just been completely frozen out.
     
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  19. CaseUteinberger

    CaseUteinberger Cazorla (not Carzola ffs)

    It seems clear to me that Arteta has put achieving team cohesion and defensive solidity first. Creativity and attacking flair will need to come second for now. Despite this there are still moments when our patterns of play really work and we cut teams open like a knife through hot butter. These moments are few and far between though and we mostly are quite stodgy. For now I think we will have to accept stodgy porridge as our main fare.

    I am personally fine with it for now as I can see the process of building a successful side. Given how little money the owner likes to spend, i.e. nothing preferably, we will have to keep our fingers crossed we have good transfer windows and Arteta is a really really good manager.
     
  20. Macho

    Macho Well-Known Member Trusted

    How much is an Özil performance worth?

    350k?
    400k?
    500k?
    8mil in loyalty fees?
     
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