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Mesut Özil: These Öz Ain't Loyal

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by razörist, Aug 18, 2020.

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Why do you believe he's been left out?

  1. Just football reasons

  2. Criticism of China

  3. Paycut refusal

  4. A bit of everything

  5. Mods should ban kash2 from the thread

  6. Mods should ban Oxeki and Jury from the forum

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  1. Jury

    Jury Mission Accomplished

    So you’re waiting for the big DT reveal now... Wenger’s nemesis is coming with the gospel now? :rofl:
     
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  2. Oxeki

    Oxeki New Threads, Old Tweets

    :lol:
     
  3. Kav

    Kav Well-Known Member


    Arteta has backed himself in a corner and frankly he has to own it which ever way it goes. I say this because PL rules for registering players are quite clear.

    Each English Premier League (EPL) team can register:
    • Maximum of 25 senior players, in which
      Maximum of 17 non-homegrown senior players, and
    • Unlimited U21 players.
    Players are considered as ‘homegrown (HG)’ if and only if they were registered with clubs affiliated with the English FA and/or Welsh FA at least 3 years before turning 21, continuous or not, regardless of their nationality or age.

    Now our list for this season in the PL is as follows:

    Arsenal’s 25-man squad (*Home grown)
    Alves Soares, Cedric Ricardo
    Aubameyang, Pierre-Emerick
    Bellerin, Hector*
    Borges Da Silva, Willian
    Ceballos Fernandez, Daniel
    Chambers, Calum*
    Dos Santos Magalhaes, Gabriel
    Elneny, Mohamed Naser Elsayed
    Holding, Robert Samuel*
    Kolasinac, Sead
    Lacazette, Alexandre
    Leno, Bernd
    Macey, Matthew Ryan*
    Maitland-Niles, Ainsley*
    Mari Villar, Pablo
    Moreira Marinho, David Luiz
    Mustafi, Shkodran
    Partey, Thomas Teye
    Pepe, Nicolas
    Runarsson, Runar Alex
    Tierney, Kieran
    Xhaka, Granit

    So you will see that we registered 22 Senior players of which 5 were Home Grown. Additionally we have players like Saka, Nelson, Saliba, Martinelli, Guendouzi, Willock, Smith Rowe who are all U21 PLAYERS AND NEED NOT BE SPECIFICALLY REGISTERED.

    Therefore the omission of both Socratis and Özil is clearly a punitive action by Arteta and or the Club since they had space in the team to accommodate both players.

    Intersting Note, Arteta included 10 Defenders (+ Saliba who is u21) 3 of which are currently injured but had no room for another midfielder.

    That is all i have to say about the matter. Draw your own conclusions. Either way it doesn't look good.
     
    Last edited: Oct 23, 2020
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  4. lamby22

    lamby22 It's Not Lupus

    No wonder he always wears a cap with a forehead that big.
     
  5. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Dissociating

    :rofl:

    You guys are funny because his big reveal is actually anti Özil.

    He says his info is a bad look on Mesut.
     
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  6. Jury

    Jury Mission Accomplished

    :eek: :facepalm:
    Still... you’re waiting on the big man tho?
     
  7. GunnerShy

    GunnerShy Well-Known Member

    But he has named 17 non homegrown players? How could he have names Özil and Sokratis? That'd be 19? Lol
     
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  8. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Dissociating

    This is surely a fake picture :rofl:

    This pic always makes me laugh man.
     
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  9. Mrs Bergkamp

    Mrs Bergkamp Established Member

    Thanks for this info. It seems the club/,manager thought excluding Özil would stop the questions. Got that wrong didnt they. I'll just watch this roll on.
     
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  10. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Dissociating

    Not really, just interesting in a gossipy way.
     
  11. Kav

    Kav Well-Known Member

    As i pointed out to you 3 of those named were suffering long term injuries including Mustafi and Mari. Both could have been excluded or one of the two.

    It is clear you didn't read all of my post.
     
  12. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Dissociating

    Great posting.
     
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  13. Jury

    Jury Mission Accomplished

    I’ll take any scraps tbh. One of the ITK’s on Twitter was dismissed as a fraud for tweeting a reply to Amy Lawrence and then deleting it. He said Mesut was chastising the other players for agreeing to take a pay cut. Think it was Dean.
     
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  14. blaze_of_glory

    blaze_of_glory Moderator Moderator

    I mean, they were essentially lied to about what the paycut would do.
     
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  15. Jae

    Jae Well-Known Member

    FFS I thought this thread was locked? :lol: What now?!?
     
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  16. Jury

    Jury Mission Accomplished

    Were they all lied to or was just a Mesut’s people lied to?
     
  17. Jury

    Jury Mission Accomplished

    @American_Gooner trolling us again with a ****ty tweet by Özil’s agent.
     
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  18. blaze_of_glory

    blaze_of_glory Moderator Moderator

    Bellerin is on record saying they were told the paycut would save staff jobs. They took the cut, and staff were let go anyway.
     
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  19. Kav

    Kav Well-Known Member

    That bit looked very snake like from the club. I can't defend that one at all.
     
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  20. Finesse

    Finesse Well-Known Member

    Is it only me spotting the double standards of your analogy ? If you tell a player with a year to go on his contract face to face he is not in the plans for this season as a Director of football , what is the next stage ? The player has to immediately pack their locker and start looking for a next destination simply because he wants to prove he loves football / is not a money grabber / mercenary etc. Do you even understand the world of football transfers and negotiations? Edu should call Özil and his agent to make that statement only once they have prepared a pay or severance package to include his wages in full and agree to write off his contract. It is utter disrespect for Edu to even attempt that without doing his homework. Özil picked up an 8m bonus is September. Who would walk out on that at his age knowing the average footballer career is 34/35? Are you mad ? Pay him up and show him the door is what he asked them.

    The double standards of this saga sickens me. We expect Edu to be the master negotiator when he is in front of Aulas but we don’t expect Aulas or Aour’s agent or Özil’s agent to also be a master negotiator. When he uses this same dumb approach to negotiate and fail with the Aoûar deal we blame Aulas and blame the player agent for demanding a big fee. Really? Why can’t we be objective and start understanding these individuals are like me and you and can mess things up too ? I am sure if the Partey deal was not a release clause we would have messed it up! In fact we spent all summer sleeping in front of their gates with Lucas and Douzi plus cash. Only to deal in the last minute and look smug like we had a clue. Players and agents should be stupid and give in to Edu because he is employed by Arsenal.

    Arsenal is run by humans like you and me. Who can make terrible decisions like giving Cedric a 4 year contract. Yes 4 years extension. If you want to call Özil and his agent to inform them you no longer need his services , make sure you have his one year payment of his final year on the table. You cannot eat your cake and have it. They thought that would push him to look for a new club and free the wage bill to accommodate Auba etc . Good and fine , but do it the right way. He asked to be paid up or he stays to see out his contract. They said okay and decided to freeze him out because they did it have it their way.

    Every presser Arteta has been blabbing around , kicking the ball into the tall grass , clean slate bla bla , 120 % in training etc all unconvincing attempts at not providing clear visibility on the issue.

    I support Arsenal but would not allow them go into a negotiation like cocks if you ask me. You remember the 40m plus one pound for Suarez? That is an individual who made that stupid decision which cost us the player. Utter disrespect for the selling party. Today the saga has been stuck to Arsenal as a club and we are ridiculed for it. When the story of Özil is confirmed it would be the utter madness of an individual but the club will have been tainted by it and so will our fans.
     
    Last edited: Oct 23, 2020
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