Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by blaze_of_glory, Jan 6, 2016.
Özil has been more consistent than Ramsey .
Quality wise its Mesut, there is no player like him.
Results wise its Ramsey, the two FA cup winning goals, especially the first one ending the trophy drought...that’s priceless and he will always be remembered for it.
Yeah, differences to be made between quality and results/achievement.
While I think Özil's easily one of the best players I've seen play for us, I don't think he's one of our greatest. Though still very important given what him signing for us meant at the time and what happened in the next couple of seasons.
Ramsey has exceeded his talent and my expectations.
I will always expect Özil to give more. His talent deserves more. If he wins the Europa, I expect the League. If he wins the league, I will expect CL.
On what basis?
I am curious on this also. Ramsey on a free was linked to just about everyone under the sun and looks to be Juventus bound. Özil on the other hand had no links and even today the media are reporting we are happy to accept next to nothing and still no takers.
Over the course of the last 4 seasons, hands down no contest.
On the basis of common logic. Ramsey for all his magnificent games tends to give you a 70-20-10% spread over a season.
70% of the time he is bang average. Not hopeless but just not what I expect from an Arsenal player. Though having said that if we finish outside of the top 4 once more then I am reconsidering our status to 'not a top 4 team', Ergo Aaron walks into it every time.
20% of the time he plays beautifully and makes us look a level up.
10% of the time he is injured.
You never know which Aaron you're getting.
Özil has been well below his norm this season. He's been consistently average with one or two stand out performances.
From one player? Wow, talk about unrealistic expectations.
Do you really feel like that?
to me Özil´s consistency is very questionable, he had fantastic games with us BUT where is his fantastic season?
both players had problems with staying fit, I would say Ramsey gets stronger with a run of games under his belt, Özil looks tired after a run of games under his belt.
I dont know....
i still Feel we are going to sorely miss Ramsey while we are not going to really miss Özil. Even when the German is the "better player".
Nope not really , Ramsey has had a great 2013/2014 and the he had a decent season last season . Everything in between has been average at best ., Fact that Eleny made us better in midfield replacing Ramsey says how badly he played . Was the same the season before when Santi replaced him in mid and that turned our season around .
For whatever reason he'd completely lost the art on how to play midfield for those two seasons .
I spent plenty of time defending Ramsey but for two seasons he was horrendous in midfield , very good on the right but in midfield ..... I'm not sure what happened but he was replaceable bad .
Will we be blessed wo see his masterclass on a cold snowy night in Borisov?
not from him, but from AFC in particulat, and him as a leader/player.
He did get us three FA cups (with Ramsey and Alexis and Welbeck and OG and Kos), so expecting him to challenge for higher honours with better teammates would be logical, not unrealistic.
Fair play to Ramsey, probably best for all concerned. Hopefully Juve don't end up in an Özil situation where they have an underperforming player on massive wages that they can't shift.
Like you've said before, Ramsey is a moments player who can make truly great moments.
The times he's actually been able to be consistent over long runs of games he's been one of the dominant players in the league. But he's not consistently been consistent.
Özil performed at a consistently high level in terms over overall play from the time he signed up until the end of last season, with the only exception really being the first few months following the 2014 WC win. Which was also when Wenger put him out on the wing trying to squeeze him, Ramsey and Wilshere all on the field at once.
People fail to see how big him and Alexis were for us, and how big he still is.
Easy to slag him off now when we have won three out of the last 4 fa cups or whatever. If we hadn't won those we would have been sucking TottenShams dcik by now. Probably West Hams too.
All this cockyness is due to the two of them coming in and blasting us back in to the big names.
17 league goals at the age of 18,and top scorer in a double winning season.
That doesn't change the fact that he is in decline and his best days are behind him.
He did have great career and most of it was outside of Arsenal, but he is not that player anymore and lacks work ethic to compensate for that.