Mesut Özil: Time to Move Ön?

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by blaze_of_glory, Jan 6, 2016.


Do you want Özil sold this summer?

  1. Yes

  2. No

  3. Don't know/don't care

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  1. hydrofluoric acid

    hydrofluoric acid Prefers To Be Called Dennis

    Why? Is he leaving?
  2. Harz

    Harz Active Member

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  3. Judasviking

    Judasviking Active Member

    Only thing he is leaving to me is migrene everytime i see him in a arsenal shirt.
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  4. hydrofluoric acid

    hydrofluoric acid Prefers To Be Called Dennis

    Where is he going?
  5. Jae

    Jae Well-Known Member

    Calling Griezmann and Costa "Luxury" players is a bit of a stretch mate. They both more than pull their weight.

    Big clubs have world class players who perform week in week out, and if they don't they get sold.

    We have a world class player who performs once a month, if we're lucky. We can't sell him, because nobody wants him, and why would they?
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  6. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Wrong, But Rarely

    Say that about everyone at Arsenal though, football is horrendous, effort and attitude from many players is questionable too.
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  7. Beksl

    Beksl Sell All The Youngsters

    Any news?
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  8. krackpot

    krackpot Well-Known Member

    No disagreement, except that Emery himself acknowledged that he had started to perform as per requirements.

    In fact, the Europa final, he was marking Jorginho. I'd throw a strop too if someone asked me to do it!
  9. krackpot

    krackpot Well-Known Member

    Griezmann is a goalscorer. He might be doing fcuk all but it doesn't matter if he scores.

    Costa is ****. He had a few great seasons, just like Drogba and people call him world class. David Villa shat all over him.

    I meant to say that big teams should be able to afford these kinds of people. Atletico I've already talked about, City normally have Silva and KdB. ManUre have only Pogba and that's why they are ****. Chelsea had only Hazard, and admittedly he carried them. Our best teams had Özil/Alexis/Cazorla, Nasri/RvP/Wilshere, etc.

    If we **** our pants that one of our more expensive guys is out of form, then we aren't a big team anymore.
  10. scytheavatar

    scytheavatar Well-Known Member

    Except our midfield is as big if not a bigger problem than our defense. We can buy top class defenders and at best we'll concede 10 or so less goals in a season. That's still far from enough to make us competitive with Liverpool or City. There's only so much good defenders can do when our midfielders are not doing their jobs and not controlling the game enough for our defense not to be questioned.
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  11. UpTheGunnerz

    UpTheGunnerz No Longer Phallus Obsessed

    The man is no longer world class. He is the classbook definition of a mediocre player
  12. krackpot

    krackpot Well-Known Member

    Yeah, haven't replaced Vieira in almost 20 years.
  13. Big Poppa

    Big Poppa Well-Known Member Trusted

    Laca and Auba yes. Because they are either delivering the numbers or putting in required effort when not, in critical roles.

    Özil is doing neither in an aesthetic role, so if we’re talking body repairs, it’s more like selling a silicon implant to pay for cancer treatment.
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  14. UpTheGunnerz

    UpTheGunnerz No Longer Phallus Obsessed

    Hear hear, absolute fraud of a player this Masud lad.
  15. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mr. Agreeable

    That is irrelevant. Ramsey isn't worth more than we offered anyway. You're creating a strawman here..
    Your whole argument was that we couldn't offer Ramsey a contract because we signed Özil but we did and I proved that. Just accept it and move on. We removed the contract offer as well.
  16. Red London

    Red London Well-Known Member

    You can't blame the manager in this situation really. He clearly doesn't like Özil. But at the end of the day this issue is above his pay grade. Özil is scamming the club out of 350k a week. Its up to the board to try and find a buyer and Özil to get off his ass and actually earn his money elsewhere.

    So it won't happen.
  17. Red London

    Red London Well-Known Member

    That confirms you aren't a professional footballer and explains why you're protecting someone with a questionable attitude.

    Ramsey doing it at the Emirates nullified them and won us the game comfortably. So what you're saying here is you feel bad that Özil was asked to do something that could have strongly helped us win??
  18. Red London

    Red London Well-Known Member

    The thing is when you let a player run down their deal they get all the power. In some ways the transfer fee you would have got for him is being put into their wage over the length of their contract at another club (or at yours if you sign them on). For example, Özil and Sanchez probably got contract raises worth 15-30m (over the course of the contract) even though they didnt improve as players, it was simply because they had more control over themselves and therefore commanded bigger pay.

    So I presume because we were already getting ripped off by Özil, we decided against offering Ramsey bucketloads of money too. I see why we did it, we just gave the money to the wrong guy which is Gazidis' fault more so than Vinai + Raul's.
  19. Camron

    Camron Established Member

    Thanks for everything Mesut.

  20. krackpot

    krackpot Well-Known Member

    Never said that. I'm not protecting him, just saying that there are bigger issues.

    I feel bad that someone asked him to do it.

    Anyone who asked him to do that is crazy. If wenger asked him to do that I'd call him crazy. If Mourinho asked him to do that,..wait, Mourinho is already crazy.
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