Mesut Özil: Över and Öut

[hydrofluoric acid]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1812829990620176869

Özil was magician.

 

[TH14shahriar]

Someone who isn't naturally a muscular guy doesn't just turn into a vascular shredded freak like that in a year without ped abuse, especially not at 35.
But could just be a sick pump and camera angles, hard to tell from one picture. but looks very sus

I can guarantee you that he doesn't use anything. I've been going to the gym for over 10 years, and many friends take testosterone and other substances. You can usually tell right away if someone isn't clean. He looks completely natural.

Fernando Torres, on the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if he uses something.

 

[Buhry]

I can guarantee you that he doesn't use anything. I've been going to the gym for over 10 years, and many friends take testosterone and other substances. You can usually tell right away if someone isn't clean. He looks completely natural.

Fernando Torres, on the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if he uses something.

Well former ifbb pro bodybuilder and steroid expert disagrees with you

Also i've been going to the gym for like 15+ years, he 100% has the steroid look in that last picture. Dry, hard muscles with ab veins on a guy who was built like a twig his whole career as a pro athelete. You don't just wake up at 35 and pack on 20 punds of muscle in a year without elite genetics and he clearly doesn't have them or you'd see some signs over the years when he was in his 20's (like he has elite footballing genetics but not muscle building)

On the other hand its just one picture and he probably has a big pump so you can't really judge anything from that and he could have a filter on. In his videos from the spring he looks natural for sure

 

[TH14shahriar]

Well former ifbb pro bodybuilder and steroid expert disagrees with you

Also i've been going to the gym for like 15+ years, he 100% has the steroid look in that last picture. Dry, hard muscles with ab veins on a guy who was built like a twig his whole career as a pro athelete. You don't just wake up at 35 and pack on 20 punds of muscle in a year without elite genetics and he clearly doesn't have them or you'd see some signs over the years when he was in his 20's (like he has elite footballing genetics but not muscle building)

On the other hand its just one picture and he probably has a big pump so you can't really judge anything from that and he could have a filter on. In his videos from the spring he looks natural for sure

I think it looks more like the lighting and editing in the picture make him look unnatural, just in that particular image. But if you look at other videos and pictures, it looks completely natural to me.

By the way, isn't Greg the one who claims to be natural himself? It's a bit ironic that he's commenting on whether others are natty or not, if it is indeed him.

 

[Buhry]

I think it looks more like the lighting and editing in the picture make him look unnatural, just in that particular image. But if you look at other videos and pictures, it looks completely natural to me.

By the way, isn't Greg the one who claims to be natural himself? It's a bit ironic that he's commenting on whether others are natty or not, if it is indeed him.

Yeah I agree in older pictures and videos he does look natural, I don't think he does in the newest one but could just be lighting and angles and some months of dieting.

Greg says he was on steroids for like 10 years then is on trt now. Claims he was a natty pro at like 25 before going on steroids though. Which maybe he was, who knows. Most people in the fitness industry lie about something.

 

[TH14shahriar]

Yeah I agree in older pictures and videos he does look natural, I don't think he does in the newest one but could just be lighting and angles and some months of dieting.

Greg says he was on steroids for like 10 years then is on trt now. Claims he was a natty pro at like 25 before going on steroids though. Which maybe he was, who knows. Most people in the fitness industry lie about something.

What is your general opinion on steroids, by the way? It feels like they are becoming more and more normalized each year. Think more research is needed on complications and long-term use. Personally I'm thinking about starting to use after my wife and I have children, but I'm still torn.

 

[Macho]

Personally I'm thinking about starting to use after my wife and I have children, but I'm still torn.

When I started to plateau I was torn as well, did heavy research and my conclusion was have my kids first and then see how I felt. Reading experiences of men having so many complications trying to conceive after lengthy roid use put me off. Not to mention it gets super expensive fixing all the side effects (surgery for gyno, fertility treatments etc).

Furthermore once you and everybody else gets used to your new frame and gains it will be hard going back that’s where the mental dependency comes in.

If I was getting paid for my appearance or physical performance though I would definitely use.

250lb vascular and lean with a desk job or something though, that’s stupid.

 

[TH14shahriar]

When I started to plateau I was torn as well, did heavy research and my conclusion was have my kids first and then see how I felt. Reading experiences of men having so many complications trying to conceive after lengthy roid use put me off. Not to mention it gets super expensive fixing all the side effects (surgery for gyno, fertility treatments etc).

Furthermore once you and everybody else gets used to your new frame and gains it will be hard going back that’s where the mental dependency comes in.

If I was getting paid for my appearance or physical performance though I would definitely use.

250lb vascular and lean with a desk job or something though, that’s stupid.

You're absolutely right about most of what you wrote; it's such an unexplored area that more research is needed on how to prevent complications, how it affects fertility, and what it does to the body with long-term use etc.

For me, I've become a bit brainwashed by the people I work out with. Many have gone in with the idea that they will stay on for life to reduce complications. I've researched this, and many seem to be planning the same type of usage.

Personally, I can't see myself taking testosterone when I'm 65-70 years old, but for others, the idea doesn't seem to be a deterrent. I don't really know whats best, but I'll probably come to the same conclusion as you in the future.

 

[Buhry]

What is your general opinion on steroids, by the way? It feels like they are becoming more and more normalized each year. Think more research is needed on complications and long-term use. Personally I'm thinking about starting to use after my wife and I have children, but I'm still torn.

I'm not interested, way too many side effects. Lots of serious potential health side effects like enlarged heart, organ issues, not to mention more cosmetic ones like potential hair loss, skin problems . Typically chronic steroid users look older than their age, and many die early, of course depends on the dose and types of drugs but yeah. And the fact that if you get on you might just have to stay on because some people lose the ability to naturally produce testosterone properly if they stay on for a while. And if you get off you have to do post cycle therapy and there could be weeks/month of basically hangover as your t-levels drop way down and you'l probably lose lots of the mass you put on while cycling which propably wouldn't feel very nice.
Also is expensive, and illegal in my country. Overall its a no thanks for me. I'm 35 and pretty happy with my physique, I've never been massive but decently muscled and low bodyfat with good proportions, look better physique wise than 99% of the population at my age anyway. I'm not gonna turn into a bodybuilder or become an influencer who makes money off doing steroids and looking as good as I can so I don't see the benefit compared to the downsides.

Now when I get to my late 40's maybe i'll look into low dose trt because it seems kinda appealing but even that seems to have various potential side effects (mostly related to cardiac health) and they might shorten your lifespan. But might give you a bit more quality as you age, maybe. I'd have to seriously research it first at least, not something do be done lightly.
But before doing any of that i'd try to maximize natural avenues of being healthy.
Also the children issue you brought up. If you wanna do it i'd at least have a hard think about why you are doing it and if its really worth it when you have a family cause the side effects can be proper. Can affect your mental health and stability as well which wouldn't be ideal for raising kids i'd imagine.
But then again I don't know many irl steroid users, only a few ppl who took a few cycles of basic test. So my opinion is just based on years of consuming fitness content and hearing/reading about peoples experiences online.

 

[Aussie_gunner123]

Some players are much less smaller then a few of these bigger players but so much more technical & still very crucial to these top teams. 2 other players for example aswell as Mesut for us, Santi Cazorla was also very crucial for our success during his era, look at his size. This day & age, imo Martin Ødegaard is also rather small compared to a few other players, look at how crucial he is for us aswell. Bukayo Saka is also rather small compared to a few other important players.

 

[Tir Na Nog]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1817459222998667456

Real playmaker, where have they gone?

 

[Macho]

 

[albakos]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1823032099361669520

Just seen this but Walcott can **** tbh, if there's anyone who clearly wasted the most of the chances laid on a plate by Özil, it was definitely Theo.

And then he has the cheek to say "not up to it" when Theo would chicken out of challenges even on our title races, because in back of his mind he wanted to not get injured due to incoming Euro or World Cup.

 

[Macho]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1823032099361669520

Just seen this but Walcott can **** tbh, if there's anyone who clearly wasted the most of the chances laid on a plate by Özil, it was definitely Theo.

And then he has the cheek to say "not up to it" when Theo would chicken out of challenges even on our title races, because in back of his mind he wanted to not get injured due to incoming Euro or World Cup.

I posted it because I found it hilarious that he could fix his face to say that - because Walcott is sh*t

Didn't even achieve a fraction of what Özil accomplished in the game and whilst I'm tempted to chalk it off to typical British mentality (not relishing tackles in the rain = bad player), he's been saying a lot of mad stuff like this recently trying to get back in favour with Arsenal.

Despite playing for both Ancelotti and Wenger, he claims Arteta gave the best team talk of his life for example, who wasn't even a manager at the time.

 

[Bagels]

I posted it because I found it hilarious that he could fix his face to say that - because Walcott is sh*t

Didn't even achieve a fraction of what Özil accomplished in the game and whilst I'm tempted to chalk it off to typical British mentality (not relishing tackles in the rain = bad player), he's been saying a lot of mad stuff like this recently trying to get back in favour with Arsenal.

Despite playing for Ancelotti and Wenger, he said Arteta gave the best team talk of his life for example, who wasn't even a manager at the time.

Everything you say is totally true, just worth pointing out that this forum during Özil’s time here was full of conversations about exactly what Walcott is saying.

Özil was never a “complete” player in fairness, but he was so incredibly good at what he brought to the table. I think he gets more love now which is nice, but his quality may have been largely under appreciated while he was with us.

 

[Macho]

Everything you say is totally true, just worth pointing out that this forum during Özil’s time here was full of conversations about exactly what Walcott is saying.

I was there, I was part of it

Thing is everything Walcott said about Özil here, I've said about Ødegaard (not the laidback thing but you can indeed kick these guys out of the game).

This is just a symptom of being a creative player in my opinion rather than a measure of the player, you have to take the good with the bad. Just like most of us do with Rice for example.

 

[Rex Stone]

I posted it because I found it hilarious that he could fix his face to say that - because Walcott is sh*t

Didn't even achieve a fraction of what Özil accomplished in the game and whilst I'm tempted to chalk it off to typical British mentality (not relishing tackles in the rain = bad player), he's been saying a lot of mad stuff like this recently trying to get back in favour with Arsenal.

Despite playing for both Ancelotti and Wenger, he claims Arteta gave the best team talk of his life for example, who wasn't even a manager at the time.

Theo couldn’t even bend his runs ffs.

The amount of time he’d just sprint offside ruining a good through ball made me properly livid back in the day.

 

[Bagels]

I was there, I was part of it

Thing is everything Walcott said about Özil here, I've said about Ødegaard (not the laidback thing but you can indeed kick these guys out of the game).

This is just a symptom of being a creative player in my opinion rather than a measure of the player, you have to take the good with the bad. Just like most of us do with Rice for example.

Yep, and ultimately it becomes about how to balance strengths and weaknesses in a team.

I think a lot of people miss the point that players aren’t meant to be perfect, they’re meant to fit into what the team is trying to accomplish. Not to say they can’t be criticized or anything, just that to focus ONLY on Özil not flying into tackles or Rice not being Pirlo (while certainly nice if they were) misses the point of why they’re there in the first place.

 

[Blood on the Tracks]

I can't find anything to disagree with with Theo here. I was saying the same stuff for years.

What's funny though is as footballers Theo and Özil are basically polar opposites.

Theo the kid of 17 who basically had no business being at Arsenal talent wise but he had an extreme physical gift in speed. He's a guy that deserves credit because though he was never a world beater he brought most facets of his game up to acceptable standards ( which must have taken a lot of hard work considering his lack of natural aptitude for many things) and had the couple of stand out strengths.

Özil's the exact opposite, insanely naturally gifted, never really had to work hard or have the physical gifts etc.

I bet if he was giving the interview and was honest, he'd say Theo was a bit of a plumber that wasn't on his level. Wouldn't be untrue either.

The way I'd look at it, if you had to pick a player you pick an Özil. If you need to pick a team you pick Theo's.

 

[GoonerJeeves]

I'm not interested, way too many side effects. Lots of serious potential health side effects like enlarged heart, organ issues, not to mention more cosmetic ones like potential hair loss, skin problems . Typically chronic steroid users look older than their age, and many die early, of course depends on the dose and types of drugs but yeah. And the fact that if you get on you might just have to stay on because some people lose the ability to naturally produce testosterone properly if they stay on for a while. And if you get off you have to do post cycle therapy and there could be weeks/month of basically hangover as your t-levels drop way down and you'l probably lose lots of the mass you put on while cycling which propably wouldn't feel very nice.
Also is expensive, and illegal in my country. Overall its a no thanks for me. I'm 35 and pretty happy with my physique, I've never been massive but decently muscled and low bodyfat with good proportions, look better physique wise than 99% of the population at my age anyway. I'm not gonna turn into a bodybuilder or become an influencer who makes money off doing steroids and looking as good as I can so I don't see the benefit compared to the downsides.

Now when I get to my late 40's maybe i'll look into low dose trt because it seems kinda appealing but even that seems to have various potential side effects (mostly related to cardiac health) and they might shorten your lifespan. But might give you a bit more quality as you age, maybe. I'd have to seriously research it first at least, not something do be done lightly.
But before doing any of that i'd try to maximize natural avenues of being healthy.
Also the children issue you brought up. If you wanna do it i'd at least have a hard think about why you are doing it and if its really worth it when you have a family cause the side effects can be proper. Can affect your mental health and stability as well which wouldn't be ideal for raising kids i'd imagine.
But then again I don't know many irl steroid users, only a few ppl who took a few cycles of basic test. So my opinion is just based on years of consuming fitness content and hearing/reading about peoples experiences online.

There are numerous reasons that crap is illegal here. You argue well why that is so in this post. I had a student that was on steroids, and that lead to wild mood swings and a behaviour in class that was near unmanageable.