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outlawz

Southgate's waistcoat knitter
I'm not interested, way too many side effects. Lots of serious potential health side effects like enlarged heart, organ issues, not to mention more cosmetic ones like potential hair loss, skin problems . Typically chronic steroid users look older than their age, and many die early, of course depends on the dose and types of drugs but yeah. And the fact that if you get on you might just have to stay on because some people lose the ability to naturally produce testosterone properly if they stay on for a while. And if you get off you have to do post cycle therapy and there could be weeks/month of basically hangover as your t-levels drop way down and you'l probably lose lots of the mass you put on while cycling which propably wouldn't feel very nice.
Also is expensive, and illegal in my country. Overall its a no thanks for me. I'm 35 and pretty happy with my physique, I've never been massive but decently muscled and low bodyfat with good proportions, look better physique wise than 99% of the population at my age anyway. I'm not gonna turn into a bodybuilder or become an influencer who makes money off doing steroids and looking as good as I can so I don't see the benefit compared to the downsides.

Now when I get to my late 40's maybe i'll look into low dose trt because it seems kinda appealing but even that seems to have various potential side effects (mostly related to cardiac health) and they might shorten your lifespan. But might give you a bit more quality as you age, maybe. I'd have to seriously research it first at least, not something do be done lightly.
But before doing any of that i'd try to maximize natural avenues of being healthy.
Also the children issue you brought up. If you wanna do it i'd at least have a hard think about why you are doing it and if its really worth it when you have a family cause the side effects can be proper. Can affect your mental health and stability as well which wouldn't be ideal for raising kids i'd imagine.
But then again I don't know many irl steroid users, only a few ppl who took a few cycles of basic test. So my opinion is just based on years of consuming fitness content and hearing/reading about peoples experiences online.

As some popular guru, possibly Christian Thibaudeau said, you're basically renting a physique. You'll only look as good as you do whilst you're on, and look nowhere near as good when you're off (look at ex-bodybuilders as a reference), hence why many cruise on it to maintain the look all year round.

Hairloss has always put me off, although I've considered TRT once I get older (also 35).
 

Batman

Head of Wayne foundation for benching Zinchenko

Country: USA

Player:Saliba
As some popular guru, possibly Christian Thibaudeau said, you're basically renting a physique. You'll only look as good as you do whilst you're on, and look nowhere near as good when you're off (look at ex-bodybuilders as a reference), hence why many cruise on it to maintain the look all year round.

Hairloss has always put me off, although I've considered TRT once I get older (also 35).
If you look at some of the guys who have won Olympias in the last 25ish years, they look like they're on death's door once they get into their 40's and 50's. The renting a physique analogy is apt. A lot of them are spending the rest of their lives in and out of the hospital with various forms of organ complications and failure. That quality of life or lack thereof for maybe a decade of prize money and notoriety is a horrible Faustian bargain to make.
 

albakos

Arséne Wenger: "I will miss you"
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Country: Kosova

Player:Saka
He wasn’t winning a 50/50 with Younes Kaboul no matter how much he tried
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You know I mention that mental scar quite often. It was a perfect illustration of the type of chickenshows he used to pull so often.
 
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outlawz

Southgate's waistcoat knitter
If you look at some of the guys who have won Olympias in the last 25ish years, they look like they're on death's door once they get into their 40's and 50's. The renting a physique analogy is apt. A lot of them are spending the rest of their lives in and out of the hospital with various forms of organ complications and failure. That quality of life or lack thereof for maybe a decade of prize money and notoriety is a horrible Faustian bargain to make.
I have a friend who is 33 and has been cruising and blasting for about 5 years. He's had gyno surgery, been in and out of hospital several times, and can't get his ding dong up without taking copious amounts of Viagra. I've toyed with the idea for as long as I can remember, but unless you're competing or earning money from it, the benefits you might gain either socially or romantically, in addition to the physical gains, come at a very high cost. That's without mentioning the longer term cardiovascular and fertility side effects.
 

Batman

Head of Wayne foundation for benching Zinchenko

Country: USA

Player:Saliba
I have a friend who is 33 and has been cruising and blasting for about 5 years. He's had gyno surgery, been in and out of hospital several times, and can't get his ding dong up without taking copious amounts of Viagra. I've toyed with the idea for as long as I can remember, but unless you're competing or earning money from it, the benefits you might gain either socially or romantically, in addition to the physical gains, come at a very high cost. That's without mentioning the longer term cardiovascular and fertility side effects.
Yeah it's insane. I just can't see any way that the risks are worth it. Even if you clean up financially for the few years you MIGHT be able to be on top in the body building world, all that money you're making is going to longer term medical fees a few years later, if your heart doesn't crap out before then.
 

Macho

Intimidated by Arteta's Wardrobe.

Country: England



Similar subject, but different personnel.

I just think creative/maverick players are just wired differently and we all measure players differently as a result. Whilst I require maximum effort, an attacking players ability to put in a shift and tackle is way down the list of criteria for me personally.

Saka for me is a complete bore for example and I don't give a sh*t.

Theo as sh*t as he was would chat crap about Hazard as well probably due to the above, and his critics on A-M would latch onto that as if it's vindication.
 

Macho

Intimidated by Arteta's Wardrobe.

Country: England
I will trade one good season from Özil for Theo's entire career if we were to be truthful.

Theo is a scrub who should think twice before fixing his mouth to downplay proper ballers in the game. If he wants a job at Arsenal so bad just apply like a normal person.
 

Macho

Intimidated by Arteta's Wardrobe.

Country: England
Really Theo should be on his knees every night before bed praising the Lord Wenger for giving him a career at the highest level.

Because if Wenger wasn't under pressure from xenophobe England to improve these crusty Englishmen then I dunno where Walcott would be man.

The guy couldn't kick a ball and I had to watch this clown for a decade
 

Batman

Head of Wayne foundation for benching Zinchenko

Country: USA

Player:Saliba
Really Theo should be on his knees every night before bed praising the Lord Wenger for giving him a career at the highest level.

Because if Wenger wasn't under pressure from xenophobe England to improve these crusty Englishmen then I dunno where Walcott would be man.

The guy couldn't kick a ball and I had to watch this clown for a decade
Well to be fair I think he only started playing football seriously when he was like 12 or 13 so for him to have been good enough to play for Arsenal as a teenager is a miracle. He also was a considerably better finisher than Jesus so there's that. :lol:
 

Gooner416

Master of Stonks

Country: Canada
I will trade one good season from Özil for Theo's entire career if we were to be truthful.

Theo is a scrub who should think twice before fixing his mouth to downplay proper ballers in the game. If he wants a job at Arsenal so bad just apply like a normal person.
Theo is a little rat for that but 100 goals for Arsenal traded for what Özil 15/16 season?
 

DJ_Markstar

Based and Artetapilled

Player:Martinelli
Yeah it's insane. I just can't see any way that the risks are worth it. Even if you clean up financially for the few years you MIGHT be able to be on top in the body building world, all that money you're making is going to longer term medical fees a few years later, if your heart doesn't crap out before then.

Nowadays even average bodybuilders can make a killing on social media which makes me wonder what it is that drives people to want to be the most shredded or the biggest. You can take much safer doses get say 50-60% as big as the top guys and still have an easy life if that's what you want.
 

Batman

Head of Wayne foundation for benching Zinchenko

Country: USA

Player:Saliba
Nowadays even average bodybuilders can make a killing on social media which makes me wonder what it is that drives people to want to be the most shredded or the biggest. You can take much safer doses get say 50-60% as big as the top guys and still have an easy life if that's what you want.
True. There's a culture to it like anything else I guess. Have you ever seen the powerlifters who give themselves gushing nosebleeds deadlifting? Like why would you ever do that? It's weird because I can totally understand an obsession with self-actualization but in the case of these pro body builders you're cheating and using chemical help and ensuring that if you do grow old that you'll be sick and miserable. As you say, these days any hack with a decent physique can monetize their social media without ruining their organs but I guess when you have that particular obsession and it ties into your self worth, the cost doesnt seem as high as it does to the rest of us.
 

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