If we're giving a school report I'd say he passed the exam for the last 4 matches but only just. 8 points was the minimum really for an easy-ish run. If he picks up 6 points from the next three games then we're back on pace for Top 6
I went searching for a picture of the three and jesus ****, Vinai is actually taller than Arteta.
The reason people have been critical of Arteta is because he's been totally inconsistent, we haven't yet finished above 8th and he's had £200m+ to spend.
Weirdly it sometimes does. I never quite understand why either. Look at Moyes at West Ham for example. Who saw that one coming? Or Claudio Ranieri with Leicester. Not saying that it's common, or that is likely. But sometimes it does click. Can't think of examples where someone has been at a club for 18 months but I'm sure they are there. Wasn't Ferguson really bad for the first 12 months at United? Maybe that's one
Think that’s the hope. There were hallmarks of the Villa game that were so much better. Sambi not doing the stupid hybrid LB thing and actually forming a midfield with Partey, Tavares not having to start high up and be our whole attack and just our front footed positioning off the ball.
To answer your question. No, and I doubt it will happen here. But it also not a 100% certainty that it will not happen. What keeps me hopeful is that the team seems to be behind him still. That is why I think Ole is in worse trouble. Another manager that you can rightfully critique.
I'm definitely not comparing Tets with Fergie. We'd be so lucky
To answer your question. No, and I doubt it will happen here. But it also not a 100% certainty that it will not happen. What keeps me hopeful is that the team seems to be behind him still. That is why I think Ole is in worse trouble. Another manager that you can rightfully critique.
My issue, and why I was having a bit of a laugh in my last post, is more with the over the top comments and total misrepresentation of the views of posters that aren't as rabid as some. It is total group think here on A-M. To get likes and positive feedback posters notice that the more rampant Arteta out you are the better. Dissidents are hounded out and ridiculed. It's basic group psychology dynamics.
Right now e.g. I don't think A-M is very close to where the overall Arsenal fan base is with regards to its views on Arteta and the team. Especially not with the match going fans. I actually partly think they relish being in what feels to me as a dogfight and doing their part in supporting their team. It's partly how I feel. Yes, we are a stodgy watch often but we/I support Arsenal and that to me is most of the fun! I started supporting Arsenal because of Wenger and his football, but that boat has sailed now and I will remain an Arsenal supporter. Just like I support the Denver Broncos, Hannover 96 and Djurgårdens IF. That is the way it is!
Finally, as a group we here at A-M are way more negative and radical. If you are kind you can call us an avant-garde, and if you are not, a somewhat deluded group of lost internet souls...
Well put, especially the part highlighted. Against Villa the team looked balanced. There were good player to player interaction across the pitch and our players worked well in pairs and as a team. Hope Arteta can stick with that for a while. And Xhaka isn't back until January so there are quite a few games for other players to step up. And hopefully Arteta has learned from the Leno - Emi debacle so once Xhaka is back he has this as a bit of a brake for immediately switching back.
What you describe is what gets us to an 8th position in the league.It's a weird situation with Arteta I feel.
When that stat got brought up that Arteta had won more games than Wenger in the comparable amount of matches at the start of their tenure that genuinely shocked me, even factoring in a number of gimmie matches Arteta had in the Europa League that skewed it in his favour. It didn't feel correct emotionally.
When you look at Arteta's tenure to date. I break it up into 3 phases.
His first half season where he was 1 point off top 4 and won the FA cup playing some fairly nice football. That was a nice start.
The first 3 or so months of his second season where we couldn't seem to buy any form or a result. That was absolutely turgid stuff.
Then the remainder of the season where we were comfortably on top 4 form. Playing some decent stuff at times but often just feeling a little bit flat.
When you look at it like that out of the nearly 2 years he's been here Arteta has had us performing to par or maybe a little above it results wise for the majority of his spell here, bar those horror months at the start of last season.
Maybe I'm being drawn into a lot of the negativity around Arteta but it doesn't feel like he's done as well as the results he's got has suggested. I think that probably boils down to us not playing consistently entertaining or attractive football. It makes the results feel lesser somehow
Moyes is a good coach. Ferguson was a great coach as was Wenger. Comparing Arteta to any of the three right now makes little sense. Arteta is a beginner and to be frank that shows at times. But we cannot hire a beginner and expect that coach not to be a beginner. This was baked in from the start.
Those are all very different examples though bro. Fergie had already won a European Cup, he was experienced and successful before coming to United. Under those circumstances it seems reasonable to give him time.
Great managers and great clubs! Two different approaches to managing but equally good results. Fergie had more financial backing though. Wenger carried this club on his shoulders for well over a decade. That and the undefeated season makes him in my view top Fergie.
The thing with Moyes is that every manager's reputation goes to dogsh*t after managing Man Utd post Fergie, same with players like Pogba and Martial. It's an awful club really, graveyard for careers.
