Mikel Arteta: 67

[Red London]

If Arteta really fails to win anything this season I really think he's got to be close to leaving, sacked considering how long he's been here with only 1 trophy after 6 seasons, especially how much he's got us to change our fast passing football like we use to play.

We stopped playing fast passing football even towards the end of Wengers reign.

Arteta has brought some Brexit to proceedings for sure, but we weren’t exactly playing sexy elegant football for the 5 seasons before him. More so naive football.

 

[Aussie_gunner123]

How slow he gets us or we just do generally pass the ball now from our backline on the counter, we allow every team in general to easily get back into defensive shape after defending our goal. At least our defence is decent now.

 

[Aussie_gunner123]

We stopped playing fast passing football even towards the end of Wengers reign.

Arteta has brought some Brexit to proceedings for sure, but we weren’t exactly playing sexy elegant football for the 5 seasons before him. More so naive football.

I really started supporting Arsenal when I liked & saw how we played that exciting fast paced football. How much everything has chaned over the seasons. Doesn't mean I'll stop following us, always will no matter what.

 

[viktor]

Vs United I want to see:

Raya
White Saliba Gabriel Timber
Zubi Rice
Saka Eze Trossard
Merino

If he insists of playing Gyokeres again then try Nwaneri as the RCM over Ødegaard.

i like this line up

 

[Red London]

I really started supporting Arsenal when I liked & saw how we played that exciting fast paced football. How much everything has chaned over the seasons. Doesn't mean I'll stop following us, always will no matter what.

Yeah it’s important. The only saving grace here is that the whole PL seem to be playing slow stodgy football this season.

The only way you can play fast paced football seems to be if you play on the break and move from back to front really quickly like Klopp’s Liverpool team or Emery’s Villa (for the most part) this season.

Wenger ball doesn’t happen anymore in this league (quick passing tiki taka approach) because I feel like teams don’t let you play through their midfield like that and play an aggressive mid-low block to prevent it.

Man City have been playing sideways boring football for a few seasons now. Liverpool under Slot look to be a sideways slow possession ‘control’ team like us now. Chelsea fans were complaining about Enzo’s style of play being slow/boring also.

Unfortunately the modern game isn’t sexy - or at least the phase it is in at the moment. It sounds like La Liga still has a nice technical level and not just teams trying to shut out the opposition.

 

[2Smokeyy]

It's easy to forget but Pep's first title winning squad was very similar to *this* Arsenal team. Defensively elite but very hot and cold in attack. Once they got that first title under the belt, they came into their own offensively.

My brother it’s the hope that kills you. Unless the league title leads to us getting WC players who can be very decisive in the final third or someone steps forward in our squad (which I can’t really see given the rigid system) then I personally don’t see any massive changes in our risk adverse approach changing especially when the argument on his side will be that it led to us winning a league title.

With Pep when he won the title at least he had a large body of work for us to believe that he wanted to play a more expansive style due to his time at Barcelona and Bayern plus I don’t think it’s really comparable as every Pep side always had a player able to produce a moment of individual brilliance or someone who was able to be clinical if you gave them a few chances a game. You can go through the names from Messi, Lewandowski, Aguero, Haaland, David Villa etc to KDB, Iniesta, Robben, Ribery, Mahrez and many others.

 

[Aussie_gunner123]

Yeah it’s important. The only saving grace here is that the whole PL seem to be playing slow stodgy football this season.

The only way you can play fast paced football seems to be if you play on the break and move from back to front really quickly like Klopp’s Liverpool team or Emery’s Villa (for the most part) this season.

Wenger ball doesn’t happen anymore in this league (quick passing tiki taka approach) because I feel like teams don’t let you play through their midfield like that and play an aggressive mid-low block to prevent it.

Man City have been playing sideways boring football for a few seasons now. Liverpool under Slot look to be a sideways slow possession ‘control’ team like us now. Chelsea fans were complaining about Enzo’s style of play being slow/boring also.

Unfortunately the modern game isn’t sexy - or at least the phase it is in at the moment. It sounds like La Liga still has a nice technical level and not just teams trying to shut out the opposition.

Fair enouh, if that is the cast towards most other top teams too, makes sense. Times change as everything moves on I guess. At least thats the case towards most other top clubs against the bottom clubs.

 

[ArsenalInMyHeart]

Nobody at Arsenal staff can give Arteta's advice about his tactics ? Like dropping Ødegaard

 

[El Realista]

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Would be interesting to see full lineups and opponents. I know the point but I wonder if those games where Merino played as 9 we played against low blocks or not. I don’t think the problem is Gyokeres because it’s remarkable every CF that has played under Arteta’s system has struggled and seemed his goal account in red numbers.

 

[El Realista]

We stopped playing fast passing football even towards the end of Wengers reign.

Arteta has brought some Brexit to proceedings for sure, but we weren’t exactly playing sexy elegant football for the 5 seasons before him. More so naive football.

I don’t think so. You are including the season where Özil and Alexis played here and we still played sexy football with them. Even Giroud looked very slow for the football we played those days, the same player it would be perfect for Arteta’s system pace.

 

[El Realista]

How slow he gets us or we just do generally pass the ball now from our backline on the counter, we allow every team in general to easily get back into defensive shape after defending our goal. At least our defence is decent now.

That’s definitely on Arteta. He asks to our wingers to go so see we don’t have enough threats to counter. Then we have Ødegaard who barely tries vertical passes and Rice who is not the best in that regard but at least he can carry the ball. Zubimendi is the one who tries long passes but we only have Gyok alone like he was prime Drogba (which he isn’t), so we take so much time waiting to Rice, Saka and LW to run the whole field because they were in extreme defensive duties.

 

[A_G]

Needs to find a solution to these low blocks and i dont mean by set pieces either.

 

[viktor]

I really started supporting Arsenal when I liked & saw how we played that exciting fast paced football. How much everything has chaned over the seasons. Doesn't mean I'll stop following us, always will no matter what.

i started supporting arsenal only because when i was kid i wake up from sleep then unintentionally watch arsenal on tv not because how arsenal played

 

[El Realista]

Yeah it’s important. The only saving grace here is that the whole PL seem to be playing slow stodgy football this season.

The only way you can play fast paced football seems to be if you play on the break and move from back to front really quickly like Klopp’s Liverpool team or Emery’s Villa (for the most part) this season.

Wenger ball doesn’t happen anymore in this league (quick passing tiki taka approach) because I feel like teams don’t let you play through their midfield like that and play an aggressive mid-low block to prevent it.

Man City have been playing sideways boring football for a few seasons now. Liverpool under Slot look to be a sideways slow possession ‘control’ team like us now. Chelsea fans were complaining about Enzo’s style of play being slow/boring also.

Unfortunately the modern game isn’t sexy - or at least the phase it is in at the moment. It sounds like La Liga still has a nice technical level and not just teams trying to shut out the opposition.

I agree partially but I think it is posible to keep playing fast and creative vertical tiki taka (wenger didn’t play tikitaka the way Guardiola did, he always played it vertically).

I think managers don’t like this because simply is harder to achieve. It requires a lot of technical and smart players and tons of training. It is simpler to train them to run and listen instructions than having them thinking by themselves. Managers love to control everything these days.

How I see it is still possible to play this way in this league, as you said, not pressing like hell without the ball so you have more open spaces to play the ball. Best example is United against City. They played it very very well. Carrick set the team in the most classical 4231 and defended low with occasional pressings. I think how modern football should mix 2000s and modern football.

Look at this, the most classical Wenger football was this kind of things. We faced tons of low blocks back on those days, the difference is our players had the ability to play the ball this way even under pressure to break them. If we could do this every game we wouldn’t struggling to score.

 

[Sanchez11]

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Its not the answer though.

 

[A_G]

Its not the answer though.

Fml then

 

[viktor]

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tbf We missed several big chances from open play in many match, if we did not missed then we dont need setpiece goal

 

[hydrofluoric acid]

Its not the answer though.

Fs

 

[Red London]

What do you guys think for when everyone is fit?

Raya
Timber Saliba Gabriel Calafiori
Zubimendi
Rice Eze
Saka Havertz Trossard

Rice plays on his strong side and Eze plays in his natural position. I think Rice is a bit nerfed at LCM without us noticing. He shouldn’t be an inverted CM with his skillset. You can argue that we are playing him out of position but he just makes it work due to his adaptability.

Seriously, why has Arteta just pigeon holed Rice as only playing on the left side? It’s a bit weird and silly when you think about it.

This gives Saka more support from overlaps and negates Timber’s lack of overlapping, he can just tuck into RCM and Rice bombs forward.

Eze plays in an area he is comfortable in, he can drift into the box beyond Havertz/Merino and score goals.

 

[El Realista]

Nobody at Arsenal staff can give Arteta's advice about his tactics ? Like dropping Ødegaard

Yes of course they can but you take the consequences. People around Stalin gave him advices but if he didn’t like your comments he purged you. So good luck being against mister ideas.