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Mikel Arteta: Top Of The Klopps

Makingtrax

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Those tables seem pretty clear.

We have been largely injury free for most of the Arteta era yes. If a midfielder goes down and suddenly our form turns to **** it's on us not caring enough about the midfield, a point plenty of people still regularly make.

It's not the only area we're brittle but it's the one we saw last season with people incorrectly blaming Partey getting injured as a cause of losing top 4.
Those tables are clear as you say, Arteta’s been lucky. Imagine an injury to Jesus, like happened to Cazorla in 15/16 . . losing your best player in November. Still Arsène finished 2nd even with the worst injuries in the league. We’d have to see if Arteta could do the same.
 

Trilly

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Really, all of us ought to be happy that Arteta has stopped making mistakes and has finally started playing attacking football with all these quality players, thanks to KSE’s incredible backing.
What’s the current view? What you’ve said here doesn’t sound too controversial.

Are some suggesting he was always as good as he is now? Or are they disputing the impact from the players?
 

boonthegoon

Arteta In by November

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Player:Smith-Rowe
These are injury tables are stupid ffs 🤦🏾‍♂️ it's about who gets injured and when they get injured. Imagine if we have a back up player or an academy player who recently made the first team get injured and out for the whole year - we will go straight up the table.

Example - assume Nelson is out for 1 year with an acl. It will add to our injury record and move it up. But is it going to cost us in any way?
A partey or xhaka or Jesus injury for even 2 months will cost us more than that.
It is just so obvious.

Last season when xhaka alone was injured (he is someone who never gets injured btw) we still did well.
But when partey and both full backs tomiyasu and Tierney got injured at the same time, that's when it really hurt us.
If they were injured in different times for the same period we wouldn't have been affected which shows that injury table is bollocks.

Just another way to claim arteta has been lucky.
 

samspade

"You said I said" detection expert at your service
What’s the current view? What you’ve said here doesn’t sound too controversial.

Are some suggesting he was always as good as he is now? Or are they disputing the impact from the players?
At this point the material dispute is hard to pin down. The inners are reacting to trax posting dubious statistics and tables, failing to answer questions, and making statements that appear to focus on a slightly negative/utilitarian narrative. They are reacting to his habits and his tone in other words, just like many ex-outers react to the personality and tone of Arteta’s supporters and pr.
 

Makingtrax

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What’s the current view? What you’ve said here doesn’t sound too controversial.

Are some suggesting he was always as good as he is now? Or are they disputing the impact from the players?
There are two narratives on here bro. The sensible one is that we’ve been a top 8 club for too long, and with all the investment, it’s time Arteta got top 4 or he’s out. And there’s signs this year that he’s learning and doing better, we’re attacking more and he’s bought better players. The second is that the only reason Arteta’s taken so long is that he needed time to clear out Wenger’s sh!t and he’s always been superb and can’t do anything wrong. Simples
 

Makingtrax

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These are injury tables are stupid ffs 🤦🏾‍♂️ it's about who gets injured and when they get injured. Imagine if we have a back up player or an academy player who recently made the first team get injured and out for the whole year - we will go straight up the table.

Example - assume Nelson is out for 1 year with an acl. It will add to our injury record and move it up. But is it going to cost us in any way?
A partey or xhaka or Jesus injury for even 2 months will cost us more than that.
It is just so obvious.

Last season when xhaka alone was injured (he is someone who never gets injured btw) we still did well.
But when partey and both full backs tomiyasu and Tierney got injured at the same time, that's when it really hurt us.
If they were injured in different times for the same period we wouldn't have been affected which shows that injury table is bollocks.

Just another way to claim arteta has been lucky.
Arteta should be praised for those injury tables, Wenger was hammered for his. Not sure why so many posters have a downer on Arteta.
 

samspade

"You said I said" detection expert at your service
What about @Nacho’s question, if you had a button to guarantee fourth place, would you push it? Or would you let the team do it’s thing?
 

Blood on the Tracks

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These are injury tables are stupid ffs 🤦🏾‍♂️ it's about who gets injured and when they get injured. Imagine if we have a back up player or an academy player who recently made the first team get injured and out for the whole year - we will go straight up the table.

Example - assume Nelson is out for 1 year with an acl. It will add to our injury record and move it up. But is it going to cost us in any way?
A partey or xhaka or Jesus injury for even 2 months will cost us more than that.
It is just so obvious.

Last season when xhaka alone was injured (he is someone who never gets injured btw) we still did well.
But when partey and both full backs tomiyasu and Tierney got injured at the same time, that's when it really hurt us.
If they were injured in different times for the same period we wouldn't have been affected which shows that injury table is bollocks.

Just another way to claim arteta has been lucky.

Yeah, the luck ( if you want to call it that) that Arteta has had in his favour isn't to do with the amount of time players have spent injured. As a stat in itself it's kind of meaningless, though it may speak well of how players are looked after and managed by the various backroom staffs.

The fortune has been that generally we haven't lost vital cogs in our system for really extended periods. Partey, Xhaka, Saka etc.

Which should be a bit of a concern this season. We're bound to lose one or two sooner or later just on probability.
 

Trilly

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The way I see it. Arteta was bad, sometimes very bad. Three years in a job with huge pressure means you swink or swim, he sank but we allowed him time to learn and now he’s swimming.

Massive upturn in form since we upgraded some key positions hints that he’s more of a Pep than a Wenger. So the next step is to see just how much he can add. Need him to outperform that squad cost/wage bill or whatever.

Only caveats really remaining are the big 6 mini league (we are 1-0-1 atm), how we deal with rotation/injuries and the fact we’ve had a really nice run-in.
 

Trilly

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The injury tables and salary tables :lol:

Man on here are determined to have Arteta top every table possible out here
Wait are man beefing injury tables now? Lord. The need to have him top of everything is hilarious.

This reminds me of when I mentioned Klopp’s process and people started arguing that their banter squad was better than ours. 🤣🤣🤣
 

Trilly

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The second is that the only reason Arteta’s taken so long is that he needed time to clear out Wenger’s sh!t and he’s always been superb and can’t do anything wrong.
Let me know who they are at your earliest convenience, I’ll be drafting some DMs.
 

CaseUteinberger

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Lol. This is how the cancel culture works. One throws out an insult and the rest of the pack pile on with the likes @samspade , @CaseUteinberger @Dj_sds @drippin This is social media for you. No one is allowed an opposite view.

Really, all of us ought to be happy that Arteta has stopped making mistakes and has finally started playing attacking football with all these quality players, thanks to KSE’s incredible backing. Despite what you think, I’m really not that sore that Wenger didn’t get this kind of support, if it means we can finally get back into the top4 again. He sort of didn’t need it with his ability. Although I’m sure he would have won the league quite easily.
It is a joke of course! Just some banter! That is why I put a laugh emoji when I read it. If you feel it was over the top then just PM the poster and ask him to stop or have the Mods take it down.
 

drippin

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Country: Finland
The fortune has been that generally we haven't lost vital cogs in our system for really extended periods. Partey, Xhaka,
Partey played 45% of possible EPL minutes in his first season. He played 60% of possible EPL minutes last season. He wasn't injury-prone in Spain. Xhaka was out for longer time last season than ever in his career.

Not sure how we haven't lost them for "extended periods"? Besides coming constantly back from injury can do similar things like with Ramsey, that the player needs some games to adjust, so it can affect even more than that.

Tierney, ESR and Tomiyasu have also been out for extended periods, having recurring injuries which might not even be counted in those statistics. Even Auba had friggin' malaria, how lucky is that? It affected him a lot longer than the stats say. Transfermarkt has his malaria being 18 days and 5 matches.

For example Transfermarkt has Tomiyasu only having injury for two months from February to April this year. But Arteta has said recently that he hasn't been able to train properly for the whole year. It's likely similar with ESR, and these are not shown in the statistics.
 

Riou

In The Winchester, Waiting For This To Blow Over

Country: Northern Ireland

Player:Gabriel
Absolutely despise the massive group of ****ing gimps that is Tottenham Hotspur Football Club, superb win boys!

That's the end of all this nonsense now, that win is the full stop on our transition era...from the issues we had at the end of the Arsène era, and the issues we have had at the start of the Arteta era.

RIP 2016-2022 Arsenal, it was sort of fun with some nice cup wins here and there (mostly quite annoying though) but we are serious again.

And it's all down to this wonderful, wonderful man :love:
 
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