Mikel Arteta: Bourne Of Frustration

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[Yousif Arsenal]

He seriously was losing iy yesterday it feel he desperately wanted to win guy was keep pushing his team no surprise about wild celebrations.

He knows every win now is important it no surprise he more emotional and stressed than all of us

 

[Camron]

@Rasmi during AM title celebration planning

 

[merciarsene]

It would be quite the story that he played for us, never won the league with us and played during banter era, retires, comes back as manager and wins our first in over 20 years.

took a pay cut to join us when we were at our lowest, after the 8-2 tanking, which made the board finally give Wenger the money for the trolley dash. Went to Man City to learn their secret dope recipes and came back to Arsenal to rebuild us to take on City.

 

[Gooner Zig]

Neville said it pretty well yesterday, I think if we get this title over the line it’ll transform us.

Mikel is carrying a lot of mental scars that I think he’ll get rid of if we get this title.

Think some of the players do to.

I think we could dominate the next 4/5 years if we pick this title up this season.

I believe this to my bones. Once we have a PL under our belts, the manger + players will relax. You can see how much they can seize up. Credit to the manager + players for just keeping attack after attack going, that's exactly how you break down stubborn low blocks. We didn't panic once.

I enjoyed Rice lone pivot and the two advanced midfielders that he switched to towards the end. Been calling it for some time. Zubi - Rice against low blocks is unnecessary. Play one, rest one.

I bet you if we win the title this season, we'll see even more risk taking from Arteta + players in the seasons to come.

 

[Trilly]

They are struggling probably because it's tougher now. You can't say for sure those teams will play similar stuff now.

Nah, those teams were objectively better. Prime Liverpool were filling up half of the world XI and City were a machine full of generational players. You only have to go back and watch those teams but even a starting XI comparison of those teams now to then will show a clear fall-off.

The moment a team in the league hits that level again we’ll go back to seeing high 80s finishes, most recent PL team of that level were City’s CL winners and they hit 89 points in the league.

It’s no coincidence that this season all the English teams have struggled the instant the CL went to the knockouts further evidence of this is that when we were the form team in Europe we were also on track to slap up the rest of the league and hit 90+ points so the proof is right there.

Maybe teams in the PL realized they can’t play so naively anymore if they want to compete with the top teams.

It wasn’t called naive when prime pool and City were steam rolling everyone and regularly making it to CL semis.

 

[Gooner Zig]

It’s no coincidence that this season all the English teams have struggled the instant the CL went to the knockouts

Think it's a bit early to say that, I mean the knock outs are still ongoing. Every away team lost except Bayern and Arsenal - it wasn't just a PL thing.

Newcastle should have beaten Barca, Chelsea played well vs PSG but self imploded at the end, only City and Sp**s got truly drubbed. Sp**s are ****ing awful and shouldn't even be there.

 

[Mudi]

The football we play is efficient but tbh awful. Yesterday, we could not break down a low block Everton. The teams under Wenger would feast on such games with Fabregas, Özil, Sanchez, Wilshere, Ramsey, Rosicky, Arshavin, Van Persie, ... all capable of breaking those teams. None of our attackers bar Saka would have started in our teams from Emirates era.

The only problem we had was physicality. We were so weak that we could not keep our play for a sustainable amount of time, mostly choking and bottling.

Arteta has fixed that issue. This team has winners and fighters mentality. And he is getting rid of players who don't have that mentality and buying the one who are willing to fight for their lives. But oh boy at the expense of us playing awful football.

If we win this year, on paper, he would have statistically one of the best seasons Arsenal had.

However for next year, I would like that we at least get rid of this kind of football and win properly. Cannot stomach another year with such football...

Btw, this Arteta's team would beat any of Wengers team from the Emirates era. We would feast on corners and counter attack, happy to sit back and win on set pieces. Wenger would be fuming of how we are playing.

 

[merciarsene]

The football we play is efficient but tbh awful. Yesterday, we could not break down a low block Everton. The teams under Wenger would feast on such games with Fabregas, Özil, Sanchez, Wilshere, Ramsey, Rosicky, Arshavin, Van Persie, ... all capable of breaking those teams. None of our attackers bar Saka would have started in our teams from Emirates era.

The only problem we had was physicality. We were so weak that we could not keep our play for a sustainable amount of time, mostly choking and bottling.

Arteta has fixed that issue. This team has winners and fighters mentality. And he is getting rid of players who don't have that mentality and buying the one who are willing to fight for their lives. But oh boy at the expense of us playing awful football.

If we win this year, on paper, he would have statistically one of the best seasons Arsenal had.

However for next year, I would like that we at least get rid of this kind of football and win properly. Cannot stomach another year with such football...

Btw, this Arteta's team would beat any of Wengers team from the Emirates era. We would feast on corners and counter attack, happy to sit back and win on set pieces. Wenger would be fuming of how we are playing.

Arteta has developed this slow grinding football with two players for every position to take the PGMOL and the thugs breaking legs out of the equation
VAR has helped too. However any of the Wenger teams would tonk this team if they met under a european referee, but yes they would lose under a PGMOL referee who thinks fouls are dependent on "sufficient contact"

if you think the team that beat Barcelona 2:1 in the CL wouldnt beat this team, then i differ

 

[remains]

People go on about Wenger’s teams playing much better football but we used to have exactly the same struggles against low blocks back then. Faffing around passing sideways and not hurting teams. We also got sucker punched way more often.

 

[outlawz]

People go on about Wenger’s teams playing much better football but we used to have exactly the same struggles against low blocks back then. Faffing around passing sideways and not hurting teams. We also got sucker punched way more often.

Either people have short memories or didn’t watch us back then. Every team struggles against it.

The football we play is efficient but tbh awful. Yesterday, we could not break down a low block Everton. The teams under Wenger would feast on such games with Fabregas, Özil, Sanchez, Wilshere, Ramsey, Rosicky, Arshavin, Van Persie, ... all capable of breaking those teams. None of our attackers bar Saka would have started in our teams from Emirates era.

The only problem we had was physicality. We were so weak that we could not keep our play for a sustainable amount of time, mostly choking and bottling.

Arteta has fixed that issue. This team has winners and fighters mentality. And he is getting rid of players who don't have that mentality and buying the one who are willing to fight for their lives. But oh boy at the expense of us playing awful football.

If we win this year, on paper, he would have statistically one of the best seasons Arsenal had.

However for next year, I would like that we at least get rid of this kind of football and win properly. Cannot stomach another year with such football...

Btw, this Arteta's team would beat any of Wengers team from the Emirates era. We would feast on corners and counter attack, happy to sit back and win on set pieces. Wenger would be fuming of how we are playing.

This just not true. We also struggled under Wenger and us having lots of pretty possession and then getting sucker punched was a tale of the time and we would routinely get mocked for it. The scars of United and Chelsea doing it to us still haven’t healed and it’s a complete fabrication to claim they would feast. The different today is that every team can employ the tactic to a very high level.

 

[Blood on the Tracks]

I'm not getting involved in comparing different Arsenal sides.

I do think there is an issue that some fans have in taking their subjective preference for a certain style of play as it being objectively more effective football. That is not always the case.

 

[dka1]

People go on about Wenger’s teams playing much better football but we used to have exactly the same struggles against low blocks back then. Faffing around passing sideways and not hurting teams. We also got sucker punched way more often.

For me it's less about the Wenger teams and more looking back to what we did previously, Arteta has already proven he can coach an attack.

In 23/24 we absolutely steamrolled teams in the 2nd half of the season.

Hopefully we win the league and with the pressure off we can perform at that level again next year onwards.

The irony is we could probably finish with around high 80s points, depending on our remaining games, but we'd have done it by both scoring and conceding less than in 23/24.

 

[Mudi]

Arteta has developed this slow grinding football with two players for every position to take the PGMOL and the thugs breaking legs out of the equation
VAR has helped too. However any of the Wenger teams would tonk this team if they met under a european referee, but yes they would lose under a PGMOL referee who thinks fouls are dependent on "sufficient contact"

if you think the team that beat Barcelona 2:1 in the CL wouldnt beat this team, then i differ

Honestly, I don't see that team beating our current team:

Wojciech Szczęsny
Emmanuel Eboué
Johan Djourou
Laurent Koscielny
Gaël Clichy
Alex Song
Jack Wilshere
Cesc Fàbregas
Theo Walcott
Robin van Persie
Samir Nasri

If we do a combined 11, only Van Judas and Cesc are guaranteed starters. You could argue about Wilshere vs Ødegaard/Eze and Arshavin/Nasri vs Trossard.

Personally I would go for Ødegaard and Trossard.

Raya
Timber-Saliba-Gabriel-Calafiori
Ødegaard-Rice-Cesc
Saka-Van Judas-Trossard

In no universe is the team of 2010-2011 stronger than our current team.

 

[blaze_of_glory]

I honestly think the 2014-17 team was better than the 2010-11 side. They didn't look as nice but they actually won things, repeatedly.

 

[outlawz]

I honestly think the 2014-17 team was better than the 2010-11 side. They didn't look as nice but they actually won things, repeatedly.

They were - Arsenal fans weirdly have a greater soft spot for teams containing Cesc and van Persie than they do Özil and Sanchez.

 

[merciarsene]

They were - Arsenal fans weirdly have a greater soft spot for teams containing Cesc and van Persie than they do Özil and Sanchez.

Quality of striker..

 

[lomekian]

Arteta has developed this slow grinding football with two players for every position to take the PGMOL and the thugs breaking legs out of the equation
VAR has helped too. However any of the Wenger teams would tonk this team if they met under a european referee, but yes they would lose under a PGMOL referee who thinks fouls are dependent on "sufficient contact"

if you think the team that beat Barcelona 2:1 in the CL wouldnt beat this team, then i differ

That Barca team would have a hard time scoring against the current lot, but more importantly would get killed on set-pieces!

 

[lomekian]

They were - Arsenal fans weirdly have a greater soft spot for teams containing Cesc and van Persie than they do Özil and Sanchez.

Because at their best Cesc and RVP were world class, and that 07-08 team was a thing of true beauty until our attackers all had the **** kicked out of them after Xmas. We had such terrible injury luck that year, and Rosciky, Eduardo, Hleb and RVP all missed games after truly horrendous and deliberate fouls.

 

[DanDare]

Ultimately the only comparison that exists to assess a team is how good it is compared to it's peers. The mechanism to assess that is called the premier league.

This is the best team since 03/04.