Jesus, WTF are you then.? No wonder I don't agree with anything you say. I really would like to, honestly.
Depends on how you define it.
You can finish midtable for a season or two and not 'really' be a midtable club. Not everything's dependant on where you finished last season.
I think of us more as a big club in a transition period really.
yeah man...but to question him on tactics? i mean, he put that to rest in the FA cup that year, even for the most blind critic.I'm not saying there were no good big game performances under later years Wenger, there were a handful of standouts.
So far Arteta has been better in big games overall, that's all I'm saying.
Arteta can sign who he likes but we saw what happened when Partey got injured.No one is saying we should spend like United, but I think we are underrating our financial ability. We have crippled ourselves with our wage bill, if we fix this (which I am not convinced we will tbf, if we are signing people like Willian) then we will free up much more funds.
Idk, it took 3 or 4 seasons post-Rafa for Liverpool to be considered mid-table.
In this part of your comment you start by saying AaMN has been poor all season. He was hardly played after having a great end of season last season being one of our best players. What happened? What has been the role of the manager? You bring up Martinelli, Pepe, and others not playing well enough to take away over-reliance on Saka and ESR but this all also goes on several players rather than questioning sone responsibility of the manager to get more out of them.
If you are detaching manager responsibility from players being poor as you see it then you are basically saying these players are deadwood also because management can’t extract anything good enough from them. That can’t be right can it? We can’t afford as a club to make even these players deadwood. I see this is where you are headed when you talk about transfers without regard to understanding how our transfer budget will be hit if we don’t qualify for EL. Being out of even that tourney, not even CL, costs us 40m.
Reference to “doom and gloom” is a red herring. Conditionality of a manager getting another season based on a minimum requirement is not “doom and gloom”. It is dispassionate by design, just as there was conditionality on Arsène Wenger to get back into the CL in his final season which he failed to do and all was closed off when we were knocked out in the EL.
All that is going on here is resistance to moving goalposts *if* Arteta fails to qualify for EL for next season. Not only would a finish of around 10th place be unacceptable if it happens but Arteta also seems to be someone who needs big transfer budgets and if he’s going to end up with a reduced transfer budget after falling out of EL then we would need a different manager with a different philosophy to achieve something similar to Brendan Rodgers. Arteta does not have experience at lower budget clubs where you have to be more flexible and creative to get the most out of what you have to work with rather than marginalising so many players.
We have to judge Arteta on the basis of what was given.
When he arrived, our team was in shambles. We had no culture. No structure. No spine. We had a dysfunctional group of below par, overpaid senior players.
He made a mistake of forcing his sophisticated style on players who couldn't deliver.
He has, since then, simplified it. And is building on it.
I think he has cleaned up. We have structure and spine. And Hope.
Our build up is getting much better. We are dominating most games.
You can see that he is a perfectionist. All our players know what they need to do in every given situation.
We are unlucky not to be playing for CL.
We need to give him another season to build on what he is doing. He is a young coach clearly better than Unai Emery.
Liverpool back then were in a much worse state than Arsenal currently are. They won one trophy between the FA Cup in 2006 and the CL in 2019, but as @squallman says no one cared.And that was the mighty Liverpool with all their history. Cut that in half, and you will have our measure.
I think Saka and ESR have been on the same training sessions and tactical training drills like Pepe , AMN etc .. It is not like AMN and Pepe for example have been kept out of the team. These guys have played so many games this season on all competitions. What is their result? This team has picked it self based on delivery. Saka and ESR are getting better and better...does the manager not get credit for that? Other players have spoken about how he transformed their game. I watched Leroy Sane talk about it on an interview. It is his responsibility to help the players improve and perform however you have quoted Pepe who has been same under 3 managers.
Again I am not an Arteta in our out brigade....I am constructive. Rogers is a manager I like and will love him here. However I can see what Arteta is doing. He is not going to get sacked this season for sure. I could start dissecting and looking for every reason to project he is not good enough based on our aspirations of course. To what effect? However it is by no means absolving him from his mistakes. Is he improving the team ? Yes IMO. Even though it needs some consistency to reflect on the League table. I would not be crying foul if he goes at the end of the season. However another Manager would have to do a lot of work on this team on his own terms and we may go through similar agony. Simply because we are not a cheque book club and considering the economic downturn , I don't foresee money flying around for ready players.
The idea is so clearly to create a private little club that can protect owners of big clubs from having their profits infringed on by upstarts like LCFC.It’s mental that we’ll be getting in ahead of Leicester when you consider the progress they’ve made over the last decade
I mean they had won the CL in 2005 and almost won the league in 2009 and 2014.
It got bad under Hodgson but they then got one of the best executives in recent history.