Mikel Arteta: Mid-table Mikel

Do you think that Arsenal should continue with Arteta for the next season?

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Baki

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Yes that's right but i mean for next season i don't hope people run out of patience quick unless things are similar like this season
What has Arteta done to warrant any patience? Nothing. He’s made us a mid-table team and has alienated some of our talented youngsters.
 

yousif_arsenal

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What has Arteta done to warrant any patience? Nothing. He’s made us a mid-table team and has alienated some of our talented youngsters.
If you want new manager it'll same circle my friend nothing changing at this club until you start buying players that improve you . Also we need to stop crying about youngsters we not playing in Dutch league to play 11 youngsters. Today he started 3 youngsters how many teams in PL play 3 youngsters from start of the game?
 

Makingtrax

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The negativity is astounding as a neutral. I think Mikel is doing an okay job so far. There have of course been massive bumps in the road and before Christmas I think any Arsenal fan would be right to have big concerns (despite the fact multiple games were chalked because you couldn't keep 11 men on the pitch), but post Chelsea there have been huge positives to take despite the inconsistencies.

Arsenal today created a bucketload of chances and conceded virtually nothing, yet I see some here lambasting the performance as if they've just been tonked 10-0 by the Dog & Duck. You have an incredibly talented group of youngsters who are getting regular gametime and showing quality and fight that some of your senior players haven't shown in years.

Time to back your manager as looking from the outside, there certainly seems to be improvements from the shambles Emery left behind, even if the results don't seem that way so far.
Unbiased Neutral lol. Trying to get us to look on the bright side of a manager who got us 8th and now 9th. Is that you Mou?
 

UnbiasedNeutral

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What has Arteta done to warrant any patience? Nothing. He’s made us a mid-table team and has alienated some of our talented youngsters.

Saka
Martinelli
Smith Rowe
Willock
Nketiah
Maitland Niles

All played decent amount of football this season. So who has he alienated? Nelson? Saliba? Nelson doesn't look good enough and Saliba has gone back to his home country to be around his family after his mother died whilst also getting the chance to play some regular football instead of being in & out of a struggling team whilst cooped up in an apartment in London isolated from his family.

In all honesty, the fact that Nketiah, AMN and Willock got so many opportunities would suggest he's been incredibly patient with some of the youth players who are clearly not at the level required. The only one you can grumble about is perhaps Martinelli, who has not featured as much as he could have since coming back from injury, but even that is harsh imo.
 

Baki

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If you want new manager it'll same circle my friend nothing changing at this club until you start buying players that improve you . Also we need to stop crying about youngsters we not playing in Dutch league to play 11 youngsters. Today he started 3 youngsters how many teams in PL play 3 youngsters from start of the game?

Blaming player investment is such a scapegoat for a manager that has us in 9th and realistically looking like we’re going to be falling to 11th. We’ve spent £100M+ in the summer and brought in one of the most exciting European prospects into the squad in Jan. Arteta is also managing a team with £300M+ investment over the past 3 years. A better manager would have us at a much better PL position and a world class manager would have us challenging for top 4. This is why teams pay up for the best managers. Every time I hear people blame the squad for the results, the only thought I have in my mind is that it’s up to the manager to get the best out of the players, Arteta clearly isn’t doing that.
 

UnbiasedNeutral

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LOL yes as a “neutral” I’m sure you think it’s great that Arteta has turned Arsenal into a mid-table team despite a £100M investment into new players in the summer!
Klopp has Liverpool in sixth after signing Jota and Thiago.

Klopp out?
 

Macho

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Unbiased Neutral lol. Trying to get us to look on the bright side of a manager who got us 8th and now 9th. Is that you Mou?
There was a sleeper account that made like 2 posts from 2004 who randomly come out of nowhere brown nosing Arteta as well :lol:
I reckon this @UnbiasedNeutral is probably one of the haggard and battered stalwarts of this forum pretending to be someone else as they like to do - the shills Arteta has is amazing.

Oh before anybody spazzes on me or publicly declares for the umpteetnth time they are putting me on ignore - I haven't criticised Arteta or said anything about the match today so piss off and leave my name out of your tantrums, thanks.
 

Baki

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Klopp has Liverpool in sixth after signing Jota and Thiago.

Klopp out?
Klopp clearly has a team tired from an insane 2 year run, won the PL last year and is still in contention for top 4. Klopp has earned the patience because he’s proven that he can compete with the best. Arteta has done nothing to warrant any patience and the team is MID TABLE and Arteta has not proven that he can take us beyond 8th place. For an unbiased neutral, you seem weirdly invested in defending this mediocre manager.
 

UnbiasedNeutral

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There was a sleeper account that made like 2 posts from 2004 who randomly come out of nowhere brown nosing Arteta as well :lol:
I reckon this @UnbiasedNeutral is probably one of the haggard and battered stalwarts of this forum pretending to be someone else as they like to do - the shills Arteta has is amazing.

Oh before anybody spazzes on me or publicly declares for the umpteetnth time they are putting me on ignore - I haven't criticised Arteta or said anything about the match today so piss off and leave my name out of your tantrums, thanks.

Nope, it's just Arsenal took my interest when Arteta took over and I've watched pretty much every game since he took charge.

The progression is pretty clear to me looking from the outside, I think you're a much better side this year especially post Christmas than you were last season. I think you dominate games more, you concede fewer chances, you look a lot more creative and work very good situations on the wings. Last season was very dull to watch at times, seemed a very safety first approach with the back five and it was no wonder the nickname 'Tapas Pulis' was coined.

It seems to me a lot of the criticism Arteta gets regarding style of play is based more on what we saw in 2020 and not based on what we've seen more recently in the last 4 months or so.
 

yousif_arsenal

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Klopp clearly has a team tired from an insane 2 year run, won the PL last year and is still in contention for top 4. Klopp has earned the patience because he’s proven that he can compete with the best. Arteta has done nothing to warrant any patience and the team is MID TABLE and Arteta has not proven that he can take us beyond 8th place. For an unbiased neutral, you seem weirdly invested in defending this mediocre manager.
So what you want change manager and hope Elneny xhaka suddenly became Xabi Alonso and Modric or Holding became John Terry? This is squad we got few injures and we f**ked Arteta has alot of flaws but this is what he got we are a cup team and midtable PL team this the reality last 2 season not acceptable at all but it's what it's we made so many mistakes off the field.
 

Baki

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Nope, it's just Arsenal took my interest when Arteta took over and I've watched pretty much every game since he took charge.

The progression is pretty clear to me looking from the outside, I think you're a much better side this year especially post Christmas than you were last season. I think you dominate games more, you concede fewer chances, you look a lot more creative and work very good situations on the wings. Last season was very dull to watch at times, seemed a very safety first approach with the back five and it was no wonder the nickname 'Tapas Pulis' was coined.

It seems to me a lot of the criticism Arteta gets regarding style of play is based more on what we saw in 2020 and not based on what we've seen more recently in the last 4 months or so.

Now I know this is definitely a troll account. No one with two eyes would suddenly be an Arsenal fan based on Mikels performance this season. At least use something more believable like the FA cup run last season. 😂😂
 

Baki

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So what you want change manager and hope Elneny xhaka suddenly became Xabi Alonso and Modric or Holding became John Terry? This is squad we got few injures and we f**ked Arteta has alot of flaws but this is what he got we are a cup team and midtable PL team this the reality last 2 season not acceptable at all but it's what it's we made so many mistakes off the field.
For some reason, you’ve convinced yourself that we’re a mid-table club because you think we have a mid-table squad. The only reason why the squad looks mid-table is because of the manager they are playing under. The mental gymnastics to defend Arteta still blows my mind. Emery took a lesser squad to 5th place and an EL final.
 

Macho

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It seems to me a lot of the criticism Arteta gets regarding style of play is based more on what we saw in 2020 and not based on what we've seen more recently in the last 4 months or so.
Who's we? I thought you were unbiased neutral?

2020 was hard to forget if you never wanted Arteta in the first place, or if your favourite players bore the brunt of the criticism for that horrible run.
 

ArtetaOut

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Because I'm watching the match :lol::lol: whilst you rant about wanting Arteta out every 5 seconds something happens. The difference between an actual fan and someone who just fully has an agenda.
What's wrong with us wanting him out after his abysmal performance this entire season? And nah you hide in match threads because you have no excuses for Cone Boy's ****ty tactics and management and is ashamed to show yourself after shielding him non-stop 24/7 every week without fail. 99% of your posts are finding excuses for his ****ty management and tactics week after week, month after month. You call yourself a fan of the club? **** right off mate. You are just an infatuated fangirl of his who give no **** about the club. As long as you can drool over his shiny hair and coat every week on the sidelines you don't give a **** about how we are sinking deeper and deeper into mediocrity. I wouldn't be ****ing surprised if you are part of his PR machine paid to do damage control here. Our club could do less of weasels and fake fans like you.
 

UnbiasedNeutral

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Context for those up in arms about the fact Arsenal are now 'midtable'.

The points gap between 4th and 9th is typically anywhere between 20 and 30 points.

Arsenal are 9 points off 4th currently. Is it good enough? No. Is it as disastrous as some like to claim? No.

Over the last couple of seasons a healthy middle class has grown in the PL, particularly with Everton and Leicester splashing the cash to try and break up the top 6. This is not the late 2000s where there was a consistent top four. It's not even the early 2010s where there was a consistent top 6. Now there is a top 8.

I understand the frustrations as results have not been good enough, and the performances in that dark period were incredibly poor too, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking Arsenal have one of the best four squads in the league. The only team I would say Arsenal definitely have a better team than is West Ham, but they are currently also outperforming Liverpool, Tottenham, Chelsea and Everton. Moyes is outperforming Mourinho, Klopp, Ancelotti. All 'world class managers'. Perhaps you want him instead?
 

UnbiasedNeutral

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Who's we? I thought you were unbiased neutral?

2020 was hard to forget if you never wanted Arteta in the first place, or if your favourite players bore the brunt of the criticism for that horrible run.
'We' refers to anyone who watched Arsenal in those games...
 

El Duderino

99 Problems But A Mitch Ain't One
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Who's we? I thought you were unbiased neutral?

2020 was hard to forget if you never wanted Arteta in the first place, or if your favourite players bore the brunt of the criticism for that horrible run.

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14Henry

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Context for those up in arms about the fact Arsenal are now 'midtable'.

The points gap between 4th and 9th is typically anywhere between 20 and 30 points.

Arsenal are 9 points off 4th currently. Is it good enough? No. Is it as disastrous as some like to claim? No.

Over the last couple of seasons a healthy middle class has grown in the PL, particularly with Everton and Leicester splashing the cash to try and break up the top 6. This is not the late 2000s where there was a consistent top four. It's not even the early 2010s where there was a consistent top 6. Now there is a top 8.

I understand the frustrations as results have not been good enough, and the performances in that dark period were incredibly poor too, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking Arsenal have one of the best four squads in the league. The only team I would say Arsenal definitely have a better team than is West Ham, but they are currently also outperforming Liverpool, Tottenham, Chelsea and Everton. Moyes is outperforming Mourinho, Klopp, Ancelotti. All 'world class managers'. Perhaps you want him instead?
At the start of the season where would you have predicted Arsenal to finish? There was no talk of having the 10th best squad in the league.

99% of Arsenal fans said top 6 is the expectation with an outside chance of "challenging" top 4. Realistically being about it at some point of the season but ultimately coming up short against the better quality sides.

Now if we are 10th/11th in the league and we are constantly dropping points against Fulham, Burnley, Wolves, Villa, West Ham then you have to think. What is the biggest problem. This squad is worse than all of those teams or it isn't being utilised to the best of its potential.
 

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